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01-25-2013, 10:31 AM
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Ask a fan of the other 29 teams what they think of Lucic and Marchand, and some of their on ice activities through the years...

We took a very un-Bruinlike Nathan Horton and made him into a Bruin...we could do the same with anyone, if Chiarelli decided to go that route. I think the brass likes Subban. It's not like it's Ott, Cooke or Kaleta.
I don't think he fits in here. The Bruins can't just take anyone and make them fit in. Look at some of the guys that didn't stick: Pouliot, Corvo, Morris. When people say that it reminds me of when the Red Wings pick a guy up and everyone automatically thinks they'll be awesome because of Dan Cleary.

Subban strikes me as a me first guy, it always seems to be about him and that doesn't work in Boston and a lot of other places. He's talented, but he's not as good as he thinks he is and that's a huge problem on a team like the Bruins.

I don't think he's worth the money he's going to get and I don't think he's worth what the habs would want in a trade. Not to mention that they would never trade him to Boston anyways.

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01-25-2013, 11:47 AM
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Look, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with your assessment of your Defensemen. But wouldn't you agree that if Subban WAS a "supreme talent", he probably wouldn't be in this very situation at the moment?
You mean a contract dispute? You don't think players of every talent level, from mediocre to elite, get in contract disputes?

Sorry, don't get your point.

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01-25-2013, 11:50 AM
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You mean a contract dispute? You don't think players of every talent level, from mediocre to elite, get in contract disputes?

Sorry, don't get your point.
I'm guessing the point was that if he was a 'supreme talent' the habs would be hardlining over 500k-1M

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01-25-2013, 11:53 AM
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I don't think he fits in here. The Bruins can't just take anyone and make them fit in. Look at some of the guys that didn't stick: Pouliot, Corvo, Morris. When people say that it reminds me of when the Red Wings pick a guy up and everyone automatically thinks they'll be awesome because of Dan Cleary.

Subban strikes me as a me first guy, it always seems to be about him and that doesn't work in Boston and a lot of other places. He's talented, but he's not as good as he thinks he is and that's a huge problem on a team like the Bruins.

I don't think he's worth the money he's going to get and I don't think he's worth what the habs would want in a trade. Not to mention that they would never trade him to Boston anyways.
He'll be worth it to the Habs. But I don't believe he'd be worth it to many other teams.

If he's going to be a face of your franchise, then you pay him thus. That's just the way it is. Chiarelli didn't hesitate with Lucic and do you think he's regretted that for one moment?

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He'll be worth it to the Habs. But I don't believe he'd be worth it to many other teams.

If he's going to be a face of your franchise, then you pay him thus. That's just the way it is. Chiarelli didn't hesitate with Lucic and do you think he's regretted that for one moment?
That's the choice the habs have to make. It's obvious they aren't sure and if you're not sure you're probably right.

Best case scenario is he sits out the whole year and they trade him for players that don't want to be in mtl.

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I'm guessing the point was that if he was a 'supreme talent' the habs would be hardlining over 500k-1M
Are they?

I thought the difference was:
The Canadiens offering short term/short dollars
Subban wanting long term/decent dollars

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That's the choice the habs have to make. It's obvious they aren't sure and if you're not sure you're probably right.

Best case scenario is he sits out the whole year and they trade him for players that don't want to be in mtl.
What I don't understand, is if they AREN'T sure... Why try the transition contract? There's no way it will be accepted and there's no situation that it would apply to.

Best case scenario for me? He signs in Montreal long-term and becomes that team's identity for the duration of his contract. As long that's the attitude that drives the team, they'll never win a damn thing.

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I'm guessing the point was that if he was a 'supreme talent' the habs would be hardlining over 500k-1M
You probably mean "wouldn't"?

Yes, that was my point. Either they'd give him a more generous salary, or longer terms than they are currently enforcing.

Or trade offers would be really tempting.

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Bah! Anyone who doesn`t agree with me is bias!!

Pernell is a spectacle, but I don`t know that I`d say he`d be such an easy call to put ahead of Ference, or even Johnny. Don`t forget, Clode comes down hard on guys who make boneheaded mistakes, and that sort of system might find Pernell on the 3rd pairing pretty quickly. He doesn`t play anything close to a safe or sound game.

Me, I honestly don`t want him on the Bruins; I much prefer playing against him, even if it does give me the nerves when I see the puck going out to him no the powerplay. Other than that I think he`s fun to play against, and not that tough to work over at even strength.
Sure Johnny and PK comparable but Ference lets drop the overrating here talk about nights off and lazy skates back sure he improves in playoffs but that doesn't seeem to matter when Krejci's name is mention ...

IMO Ference was good for 1 finger show and its time to move on after this year !!!

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You probably mean "wouldn't"?

Yes, that was my point. Either they'd give him a more generous salary, or longer terms than they are currently enforcing.

Or trade offers would be really tempting.
Ya, my bad.

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What I don't understand, is if they AREN'T sure... Why try the transition contract? There's no way it will be accepted and there's no situation that it would apply to.

Best case scenario for me? He signs in Montreal long-term and becomes that team's identity for the duration of his contract. As long that's the attitude that drives the team, they'll never win a damn thing.
I'm sure they see him as a part of the team but just not what he sees himself as. That's my guess. They look at what guys like MDZ signed for and want something similar is my guess.

He hasn't really done anything to warrant a huge contract.

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Sure Johnny and PK comparable but Ference lets drop the overrating here talk about nights off and lazy skates back sure he improves in playoffs but that doesn't seeem to matter when Krejci's name is mention ...

IMO Ference was good for 1 finger show and its time to move on after this year !!!
I haven't seen him take a night off. Is this some new form of sarcasm? Ference is freaking bargain. Good luck obtaining a player as good with a similar contract.

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Sure Johnny and PK comparable but Ference lets drop the overrating here talk about nights off and lazy skates back sure he improves in playoffs but that doesn't seeem to matter when Krejci's name is mention ...

IMO Ference was good for 1 finger show and its time to move on after this year !!!
If you think that's all Ference is good for you don't follow this team very closely. There's a reason why he wears an "A" on his chest.

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I think there are going to be some very surprised, and shocked people here when this is done and over with.

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I think there are going to be some very surprised, and shocked people here when this is done and over with.
I hope something happens soon, no matter what it is. I assume he's getting traded... am I warm?

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I think there are going to be some very surprised, and shocked people here when this is done and over with.
Meehan's suppose to meet with Bergevin today, Meehan want's PK to agree on the 2years 3.5M... I think PK will ask to be traded. PK knows he isn't liked in the Hab's dressing room.

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I hope something happens soon, no matter what it is. I assume he's getting traded... am I warm?
The Habs see him as a comparable to what a certain player signed for

Don Meehan (not PK) sees him as a comparable to what someone else signed for.

The difference is a term that's 2.5 the difference and the dollars at $2.75 million per season apart.

Want an end to it: Bring in Scot L. Beckenbaugh. After all, he did help end the lockout.

As for a trade: You can reasonably assume that the Habs have had inquiries from the other 29 GM's, otherwise none of them are doing their job.

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Meehan's suppose to meet with Bergevin today, Meehan want's PK to agree on the 2years 3.5M... I think PK will ask to be traded. PK knows he isn't liked in the Hab's dressing room.
Is there anything to substantiate this?

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The Habs see him as a comparable to what a certain player signed for

Don Meehan (not PK) sees him as a comparable to what someone else signed for.

The difference is a term that's 2.5 the difference and the dollars at $2.75 million per season apart.

Want an end to it: Bring in Scot L. Beckenbaugh. After all, he did help end the lockout.

As for a trade: You can reasonably assume that the Habs have had inquiries from the other 29 GM's, otherwise none of them are doing their job.
PK sits out the season and gets a job doing the weather on the local news.

Or he gets traded to the Oilers.

What do I win?

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If you think that's all Ference is good for you don't follow this team very closely. There's a reason why he wears an "A" on his chest.
So he's good in the locker room big Whooop we have at least 7 guys that could wear it !!

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Interesting OOG - thanks!

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When was the last time the B's and Canadiens were trading partners?

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Is there anything to substantiate this?
Yes, It is well documented, PK does have an attitude and the veterans and the organisation don't like it.

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If the trade were to happen today:

To Bruins - Subban
To Habs - 2013 1st and 2014 3rd. Add 2014 1st added if re-signed.

Then part 2:

To Bruins - Kane, Antropov
To Jets - Marchand, Boychuk, Knight, Johnson and 2013 3rd

Kane - Bergeron - Seguin
Lucic - Krejci - Horton
Antroppv - Kelly - Peverley
Paille - Campbell -Thornton

Chara - Hamilton
Subban - Seidenberg
Ference - McQuaid

Finally part 3:
win cup/wake-up from dream

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When was the last time the B's and Canadiens were trading partners?
2001 (?)- Eric Weinrich traded to Boston Bruins for Patrick Traverse

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