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I have no problem with the low system ranking because most of its talents are at the low levels. If guys like Smoral, DJ Davis, Norris, J Anderson, AJ Jiminez, Lopes, Matt Dean etc have big years then we could easily jump up like 8-10 spots. I know both Gose and Hutchison no longer qualify as "prospects" but there everybit very good young players. Sure we dont have the elite system like we did before the trades but theres still plenty of talent when you factor in internation guys like (Osuna, Baretto, Tirado) and the #10 overall pick.

It's also quite funny to see how high d'Arnaud and moreso Syndergaard are being ranked on some prospect lists. Basically the minute they became NY prospects there value increased.

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Keith Law's top 100

1 Jurickson Profar SS TEX 5-11 165
2 Oscar Taveras OF STL 6-2 180
3 Dylan Bundy RHP BAL 6-1 195
4 Wil Myers OF TB 6-3 190
5 Xander Bogaerts SS BOS 6-3 175
6 Christian Yelich OF MIA 6-4 189
7 Francisco Lindor SS CLE 5-11 175
8 Gerrit Cole RHP PIT 6-4 215
9 Taijuan Walker RHP SEA 6-4 195
10 Addison Russell SS OAK 6-0 185
11 Miguel Sano 3B MIN 6-3 195
12 Tyler Skaggs LHP ARI 6-4 195
13 Zack Wheeler RHP NYM 6-3 180
14 Travis d'Arnaud C NYM 6-2 195
15 Mike Zunino C SEA 6-2 220
16 Jose Fernandez RHP MIA 6-2 220
17 Anthony Rendon 3B WAS 5-11 170
18 Gary Sanchez C NYY 6-2 195
19 Aaron Sanchez RHP TOR 6-4 190
20 Jameson Taillon RHP PIT 6-6 225
21 Shelby Miller RHP STL 6-3 195
22 Byron Buxton CF MIN 6-1 188
23 Kaleb Cowart 3B LAA 6-3 190
24 Carlos Correa SS HOU 6-4 190
25 Trevor Bauer RHP CLE 6-1 185
26 Kevin Gausman RHP BAL 6-4 185
27 Kyle Zimmer RHP KC 6-3 215
28 Julio Teheran RHP ATL 6-2 150
29 Archie Bradley RHP ARI 6-4 225
30 Billy Hamilton CF CIN 6-1 160
31 Javier Baez SS CHC 6-1 205
32 Jonathan Singleton 1B HOU 6-2 215
33 Albert Almora OF CHC 6-1 170
34 Alen Hanson SS PIT 5-11 152
35 Mason Williams OF NYY 6-0 150
36 Austin Hedges C SD 6-1 190
37 David Dahl OF COL 6-2 185
38 Nick Castellanos 3B/RF DET 6-4 210
39 Carlos Martinez RHP STL 6-0 165
40 Jackie Bradley Jr. CF BOS 5-10 180
41 Kyle Gibson RHP MIN 6-6 210
42 Jorge Soler OF CHC 6-3 205
43 George Springer CF HOU 6-4 205
44 Brian Goodwin CF WAS 6-0 190
45 Bubba Starling OF KC 6-4 180
46 Corey Seager SS LAD 6-3 195
47 Taylor Guerrieri RHP TB 6-3 195
48 Robert Stephenson RHP CIN 6-2 190
49 Aaron Hicks CF MIN 6-2 185
50 Jonathan Schoop SS BAL 6-1 187
51 Max Fried LHP SD 6-4 185
52 Tyler Austin OF NYY 6-2 200
53 Chris Archer RHP TB 6-3 180
54 Rymer Liriano OF SD 6-0 211
55 Gregory Polanco CF PIT 6-4 170
56 Dorssys Paulino SS CLE 6-0 175
57 Slade Heathcott CF NYY 6-1 190
58 Trevor Rosenthal RHP STL 6-2 190
59 Oswaldo Arcia OF MIN 6-0 210
60 Casey Kelly RHP SD 6-3 195
61 Alex Meyer RHP MIN 6-7 205
62 Justin Nicolino LHP MIA 6-3 160
63 Allen Webster RHP BOS 6-3 185
64 Arodys Vizcaino RHP CHC 6-0 189
65 Eddie Rosario 2B/CF MIN 6-0 170
66 Danny Hultzen LHP SEA 6-3 200
67 Zach Lee RHP LAD 6-4 190
68 Jake Odorizzi RHP TB 6-2 175
69 Nick Franklin SS SEA 6-1 170
70 Jedd Gyorko 3B SD 5-10 195
71 Mike Olt 3B TEX 6-2 215
72 Daniel Corcino RHP CIN 5-11 165
73 Wily Peralta RHP MIL 6-2 225
74 Courtney Hawkins OF CWS 6-3 220
75 Matt Davidson 3B ARI 6-3 225
76 Kyle Crick RHP SF 6-4 220
77 Lucas Giolito RHP WAS 6-6 225
78 Hak-Ju Lee SS TB 6-2 170
79 Matt Barnes RHP BOS 6-4 205
80 Clayton Blackburn RHP SF 6-3 220
81 Alex Colome RHP TB 6-2 185
82 Jake Marisnick CF MIA 6-4 200
83 Delino DeShields Jr. 2B HOU 5-9 188
84 Luis Heredia RHP PIT 6-6 205
85 Trevor Story SS COL 6-1 175
86 Jarred Cosart RHP HOU 6-3 180
87 Roberto Osuna RHP TOR 6-2 230
88 Joe Ross RHP SD 6-3 185
89 A.J. Cole RHP WAS 6-4 180
90 Cody Buckel RHP TEX 6-0 170
91 Adam Eaton CF ARI 6-2 190
92 Adam Morgan RHP PHI 6-1 195
93 Martin Perez LHP TEX 6-0 178
94 J.R. Graham RHP ATL 6-0 185
95 Jesse Biddle LHP PHI 6-4 225
96 Kolten Wong 2B STL 5-9 180
97 Noah Syndergaard RHP NYM 6-5 200
98 Tony Cingrani LHP CIN 6-4 200
99 Nathan Karns RHP WAS 6-5 230
100 Eduardo Rodriguez RHP BAL 6-2 175

He's obviously crazy high on Sanchez.

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People said billy Hamilton was a lock to be a high ranked prospect going into his season...is 30 about right?? Where would he rank vs. Gose if gose were eligible?

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Blurbs on the six bolded guys (which I believe is allowed)

14) Travis D'Arnaud
Speaking of players who can't stay healthy, d'Arnaud hits for average and power, throws well, handles pitchers well -- and gets hurt at least once a year, reaching 400 plate appearaces in a season just twice in five years. Injuries to his knees, back, finger and more have kept him off the field.

He has plus raw power, thanks to good hip rotation and a big finish to his swing, giving him 25-30 homer potential if he can ever play a full season. He has solid hand-eye coordination for contact but doesn't walk much, so he might peak as a .280 hitter with a .330-.340 OBP, buoyed more by his power than anything else. His defense has improved substantially since he was first drafted by the Phillies, with throwing the strongest aspect of his game.

Everything about his game is ready for the majors or close to it, but he has to show he can handle a full season without hitting the DL: A player who plays like an All-Star for just 80 games a year but spends the rest in the trainer's room has value but will always be perceived as a disappointment.

19) Aaron Sanchez
If you talked to the Blue Jays this winter about a trade, there was just one prospect you couldn't discuss; teams could and did pry loose the next four guys in their system, but Aaron Sanchez was untouchable. For good reason: Ace stuff like this is too hard to come by for the Blue Jays to let it go.

Even though his body isn't fully mature yet, Sanchez worked in the mid- to upper 90s all year on restricted pitch counts, turning a lineup over a third time in only five of his 25 outings. His curveball became sharper this year and his changeup, his third-best pitch coming into the season, was so effective that he showed a big reverse platoon split -- allowing just two extra-base hits to left-handed batters all year while punching out nearly a third of them. His delivery is very easy and he gets good life on his fastball to keep the ball on the ground. Aside from mot being stretched out to throw 150-plus innings, Sanchez also has to improve his command and control, something no one seriously doubts he'll do given his makeup, his athleticism and how easily he repeats his delivery. It's time for him to take that leap in 2013.

Look for him to start in high Class A and build up to 130 innings or so this year, with a possible ETA of 2014 and a projection as a No. 1 starter a few years beyond that.

62) Justin Nicolino

If you don't like Nicolino, you see a lefty with an average fastball and breaking ball, better changeup and no projection, making him a back-end finesse guy. If you like him, you see shades of Cole Hamels with a potential out pitch in the change and feel for pitching well beyond his age.

The Hamels comparison comes up a lot because of the changeup and the lack of a big fastball, with Nicolino sitting at 88-92 and unlikely to move up more than a mile or two an hour from that. He has an average breaking ball, but the changeup is the separator. It's really a silly pitch, with great deception so that it looks just like the fastball coming out of that slot just under three-quarter, with a little late fade to finish off hitters who weren't fooled by the release. He pounds the zone with all three pitches, walking just 21 of 494 batters faced in the Midwest League while still missing bats.

I don't think Nicolino becomes an ace like Hamels -- if I did, I'd have him rated higher -- but I do think he becomes an above-average starter because he has so many positives, including a legitimate out pitch, in his favor.

82) Jake Marisnick

Marisnick was one of the two significant prospects heading to Miami from Toronto in the Marlins' firesale deal in November, with Justin Nicolino (No. 62) the other one. Marisnick has a great set of tools, grading out as above-average in running, arm, power, and glove, but he's shown some holes at the plate that have reduced his probability of becoming an above-average regular.

His approach at the plate is not great, as he's beatable both on breaking stuff and on hard stuff up or in. He has virtually no load and doesn't get extended well enough before contact to let that raw power, visible in BP, play in games. Some of this is a matter of mechanical adjustments, but there will probably always be a lot of swing and miss to Marisnick's game, and he may ride to the majors on his defense and running speed more than on his bat.

87) Roberto Osuna
Osuna is just 17 years old but entered Toronto's system with pro experience in the relatively high-level Mexican League, as well as good bloodlines from a father who pitched in that same league and an uncle, Antonio, who pitched in the majors, mostly for the Dodgers.

He gets high marks for how advanced he is on the mound, with good control and a strong feel for the art of setting hitters up, even though his stuff isn't quite up to the same level yet. He topped out at 97 mph last summer and will sit in the low 90s, with a plus changeup that has good action on it; he'll throw the change in any count to hitters on either side of the plate. The breaking ball is the question mark, as he throws a slider to spots right now rather than letting it go, putting more power into it almost like a cutter would have.

He can pitch with his fastball and has such feel for the changeup that, given his present control, he looks like at least a solid league-average starter, with substantial upside if that slider becomes a viable third weapon for him.

97) Noah Syndergaard

Syndergaard was part of the trio of starters for the Blue Jays' low Class A Lansing affiliate last year who all made this list, albeit now for three different organizations. (Syndegaard was traded to the Mets in the R.A. Dickey deal, while Justin Nicolino was dealt to the Marlins in the Jose Reyes-Josh Johnson blockbuster. Of the three, only Aaron Sanchez remains with Toronto.)

Syndergaard has a very clean, easy arm action with a fastball in the mid-90s, and an above-average changeup with pretty good arm speed, all with the size of a guy (6-foot-5, 200 pounds) who looks like a front-line starter. Finding a consistent, average breaking ball has been an issue for Syndergaard since he entered pro ball, with reports this year grading it as average at best, and often coming in below that or saying it came and went.

He'll pitch at 20 years old this season and has just 176 pro innings behind him, so there's time to find a consistent third pitch, but it's not a great sign that two-plus years in Toronto's system didn't produce it yet. At worst he should be a solid fourth starter, very durable with above-average control, and still has that No. 2 starter upside if the curveball comes along.

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I wonder how much of Sanchez being rated so high is the fact that the Jays wouldn't/didn't trade him.

You've gotta think most pundits, like Law, side with AA, Tinnish and co. in that Sanchez had to be the best of the "lansing 3".

I'm excited to hear more about Osuna. I don't think i've even seen a clip of him pitching.

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1 Jurickson Profar SS TEX 5-11 165
2 Oscar Taveras OF STL 6-2 180
3 Dylan Bundy RHP BAL 6-1 195
4 Wil Myers OF TB 6-3 190
5 Xander Bogaerts SS BOS 6-3 175
6 Christian Yelich OF MIA 6-4 189
7 Francisco Lindor SS CLE 5-11 175
8 Gerrit Cole RHP PIT 6-4 215
9 Taijuan Walker RHP SEA 6-4 195
10 Addison Russell SS OAK 6-0 185
11 Miguel Sano 3B MIN 6-3 195
12 Tyler Skaggs LHP ARI 6-4 195
13 Zack Wheeler RHP NYM 6-3 180
14 Travis d'Arnaud C NYM 6-2 195
15 Mike Zunino C SEA 6-2 220
16 Jose Fernandez RHP MIA 6-2 220
17 Anthony Rendon 3B WAS 5-11 170
18 Gary Sanchez C NYY 6-2 195
19 Aaron Sanchez RHP TOR 6-4 190
20 Jameson Taillon RHP PIT 6-6 225
21 Shelby Miller RHP STL 6-3 195
22 Byron Buxton CF MIN 6-1 188
23 Kaleb Cowart 3B LAA 6-3 190
24 Carlos Correa SS HOU 6-4 190
25 Trevor Bauer RHP CLE 6-1 185
26 Kevin Gausman RHP BAL 6-4 185
27 Kyle Zimmer RHP KC 6-3 215
28 Julio Teheran RHP ATL 6-2 150
29 Archie Bradley RHP ARI 6-4 225
30 Billy Hamilton CF CIN 6-1 160
31 Javier Baez SS CHC 6-1 205
32 Jonathan Singleton 1B HOU 6-2 215
33 Albert Almora OF CHC 6-1 170
34 Alen Hanson SS PIT 5-11 152
35 Mason Williams OF NYY 6-0 150
36 Austin Hedges C SD 6-1 190
37 David Dahl OF COL 6-2 185
38 Nick Castellanos 3B/RF DET 6-4 210
39 Carlos Martinez RHP STL 6-0 165
40 Jackie Bradley Jr. CF BOS 5-10 180
41 Kyle Gibson RHP MIN 6-6 210
42 Jorge Soler OF CHC 6-3 205
43 George Springer CF HOU 6-4 205
44 Brian Goodwin CF WAS 6-0 190
45 Bubba Starling OF KC 6-4 180
46 Corey Seager SS LAD 6-3 195
47 Taylor Guerrieri RHP TB 6-3 195
48 Robert Stephenson RHP CIN 6-2 190
49 Aaron Hicks CF MIN 6-2 185
50 Jonathan Schoop SS BAL 6-1 187
51 Max Fried LHP SD 6-4 185
52 Tyler Austin OF NYY 6-2 200
53 Chris Archer RHP TB 6-3 180
54 Rymer Liriano OF SD 6-0 211
55 Gregory Polanco CF PIT 6-4 170
56 Dorssys Paulino SS CLE 6-0 175
57 Slade Heathcott CF NYY 6-1 190
58 Trevor Rosenthal RHP STL 6-2 190
59 Oswaldo Arcia OF MIN 6-0 210
60 Casey Kelly RHP SD 6-3 195
61 Alex Meyer RHP MIN 6-7 205
62 Justin Nicolino LHP MIA 6-3 160
63 Allen Webster RHP BOS 6-3 185
64 Arodys Vizcaino RHP CHC 6-0 189
65 Eddie Rosario 2B/CF MIN 6-0 170
66 Danny Hultzen LHP SEA 6-3 200
67 Zach Lee RHP LAD 6-4 190
68 Jake Odorizzi RHP TB 6-2 175
69 Nick Franklin SS SEA 6-1 170
70 Jedd Gyorko 3B SD 5-10 195
71 Mike Olt 3B TEX 6-2 215
72 Daniel Corcino RHP CIN 5-11 165
73 Wily Peralta RHP MIL 6-2 225
74 Courtney Hawkins OF CWS 6-3 220
75 Matt Davidson 3B ARI 6-3 225
76 Kyle Crick RHP SF 6-4 220
77 Lucas Giolito RHP WAS 6-6 225
78 Hak-Ju Lee SS TB 6-2 170
79 Matt Barnes RHP BOS 6-4 205
80 Clayton Blackburn RHP SF 6-3 220
81 Alex Colome RHP TB 6-2 185
82 Jake Marisnick CF MIA 6-4 200
83 Delino DeShields Jr. 2B HOU 5-9 188
84 Luis Heredia RHP PIT 6-6 205
85 Trevor Story SS COL 6-1 175
86 Jarred Cosart RHP HOU 6-3 180
87 Roberto Osuna RHP TOR 6-2 230
88 Joe Ross RHP SD 6-3 185
89 A.J. Cole RHP WAS 6-4 180
90 Cody Buckel RHP TEX 6-0 170
91 Adam Eaton CF ARI 6-2 190
92 Adam Morgan RHP PHI 6-1 195
93 Martin Perez LHP TEX 6-0 178
94 J.R. Graham RHP ATL 6-0 185
95 Jesse Biddle LHP PHI 6-4 225
96 Kolten Wong 2B STL 5-9 180
97 Noah Syndergaard RHP NYM 6-5 200
98 Tony Cingrani LHP CIN 6-4 200
99 Nathan Karns RHP WAS 6-5 230
100 Eduardo Rodriguez RHP BAL 6-2 175

He's obviously crazy high on Sanchez.
Osuna ahead of Syndergaard seems a little rich to me. I'm not sure I agree with that but maybe Law is overly impressed with his quick development. But seeing as he projects Noah as potentially a number 2 he should be ahead of Osuna.

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Osuna ahead of Syndergaard seems a little rich to me. I'm not sure I agree with that but maybe Law is overly impressed with his quick development. But seeing as he projects Noah as potentially a number 2 he should be ahead of Osuna.
Pretty sure law has projected syndergaard as a reliever bc of his weak 3rd pitch. Its a condemnation of noah rather than any overprojection of osuna imo.

Obviously if he can develop a third pitch then noah should fly up he rankings based on his potential

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Pretty sure law has projected syndergaard as a reliever bc of his weak 3rd pitch. Its a condemnation of noah rather than any overprojection of osuna imo.

Obviously if he can develop a third pitch then noah should fly up he rankings based on his potential
In the article he breaks him down in, he says that if he doesn't develop a strong 3rd pitch he should still be a good 4th starter. I don't remember seeing any implication that he could end up a reliever which may be the end result I guess.

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I'm not sure if it was Law that made that claim but I remember hearing some analyst(s) saying that if he doesn't develop a 3rd pitch, then his potential is a high leverage reliever/closer.

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I'm not sure if it was Law that made that claim but I remember hearing some analyst(s) saying that if he doesn't develop a 3rd pitch, then his potential is a high leverage reliever/closer.
Ya i may have been incorrect about it being law. Pretty sure there was a writeup on syndergaard on fangraphs that i saw recently

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Osuna ahead of Syndergaard seems a little rich to me. I'm not sure I agree with that but maybe Law is overly impressed with his quick development. But seeing as he projects Noah as potentially a number 2 he should be ahead of Osuna.
He believes there's a bit of a red flag on Syndergaard's high-end starter status because of the lack of a viable 3rd pitch and the fact that he hasn't even shown progress on finding one yet in 2 years of pro ball.

Osuna on the other hand has a slider in his arsenal already, it's just a matter of learning to use it effectively.

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Completely forgot that the "state of the franchise" presentation was today. I'm happy knowing that AA doesn't have to field 10 questions based on Prince.

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Osuna ahead of Syndergaard seems a little rich to me. I'm not sure I agree with that but maybe Law is overly impressed with his quick development. But seeing as he projects Noah as potentially a number 2 he should be ahead of Osuna.
Does seem odd that Synder would be behind the other 2. Synder, atleast for now, appears to be further along in his development in regards to control and his ability to be "MLB ready". No question Sanchez has the best stuff of the 3 but there are still questions about if he can put it all together. He's been a walk machine early in his minor league career.

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Anthopoulos' initial address was over, and they're doing individual media interviews now. The feed is supposed to be back in 40 minutes or so for management to answer fan questions.

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