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03-07-2005, 06:23 AM
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Another one

Another good argument - I am full of them lately.

Who is the best Habs enforcer of all-time?

My vote was for Chris Nilan.

Others mentioned were Kordic, John Ferguson, Brashear, etc..

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Fergie was the 1st & the best. Chris Nilan is a close 2nd.

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Another good argument - I am full of them lately.

Who is the best Habs enforcer of all-time?

My vote was for Chris Nilan.

Others mentioned were Kordic, John Ferguson, Brashear, etc..

Myself it is John Ferguson then followed by Chris Nilan

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How do you define a top enforcer ? Keeping your stars safe ? Winning fights ? Getting the job done without hurting your team ? Ferguson has to be the best in the way he combined all of the above. He also terrorized the opposition on occasion and could play with skilled players. Pierre Bouchard should get more credit. He could often keep order with a mean stare. One punch from Stan Jonathan shouldn't erase his whole career. Kordic was something else as a fighter, but his stay was short. Nilan was up there but to me, was just too much of a target and could get his team in trouble. It's difficult to have a long career in this job, physically and mentally, and I'd give Fergy the nod for playing his whole career with the same attitude. Nilan,Butch,and Kordic would be welcome on today's team though.

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How do you define a top enforcer ? Keeping your stars safe ? Winning fights ? Getting the job done without hurting your team ? Ferguson has to be the best in the way he combined all of the above. He also terrorized the opposition on occasion and could play with skilled players. Pierre Bouchard should get more credit. He could often keep order with a mean stare. One punch from Stan Jonathan shouldn't erase his whole career. Kordic was something else as a fighter, but his stay was short. Nilan was up there but to me, was just too much of a target and could get his team in trouble. It's difficult to have a long career in this job, physically and mentally, and I'd give Fergy the nod for playing his whole career with the same attitude. Nilan,Butch,and Kordic would be welcome on today's team though.
Good call on Bouchard. He doesn't get much mention from the fight fans, but, imo he was one of the best of his era.

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Gino Odjick for me. Maybe not the best but my favorite.

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I would vote for Nilan.

Granted I never watched Ferguson play, but from what I read, he defiantely could win this also, but for guys I've watched I'd go with Nilan.

The thing that most impressed me about Chris Nilan, is how he transformed himself from pure goon, to goon who actaully could take a regular shift and contribute in other areas of the game.

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Nilan is the only one I watched on tape so I would have to say him.

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My vote goes to Nilan too

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Nilan!

How many enforcers score 20 goals in a year? I really liked Kordic too..

R.I.P John Kordic

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I should have said the "best fighter". Sounds like Chris Nilan with John Ferguson a close second.

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The best fighter for the Habs was not Nilan, imo. He was an excellent enforcer, but, I recall him having difficulty with some of the larger fighters of the time, particularily Larry Playfair of the Sabres.

To me the best fighter would be between Kordic, Brashear & Ferguson.

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Nilan for me, though he could be pretty unpredictable, to put it nicely. He butt-ended Rick Middleton once, that was pretty ugly, and didn't he also throw a puck at another player? But I have fond memories of seeing him mop the ice using Mike Milbury, in Boston no less, during a playoff game.

Also, I'm way too young to have seen John Ferguson play.

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Also, I'm way too young to have seen John Ferguson play.
In Pee Wee maybe......

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If by Pee Wee you mean Pee-wee's Big Adventure......well if was a great movie. Oscar worthy if you ask me!!!!

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When we had Brashear, him Odelein were badass. Great having 2 guys who would drop them with anybody and both could fight. We got rid of both of them at the right time imo. Brashear a little too early though.

That being said, since those two, we've been seriously lacking in the toughness department, relying on guys like Cummins, Vokula, Manson, Stock, all of whom were at the end of their careers. (I think we even picked up Ciccone for a few games) Although I did enjoy Odjick. He wasen't the same guy as in Vancouver but he could still bring it. Our lineup definetly was not the 80's where we had Nilan, Kordic and Corson (when he was still hardcore).

Even Langdon last year was a huge upgrade. He doesn't win many but I like the way he fights. Some people find it boring, but I like it. Only problem is he didn't drop the gloves enough. Hopefully Gainey will get us a good fighter who can play for next year. I always enjoyed Brashear, when we had him, he was a great fighter. Todd Ewen as well. Enforcer, Nilan was one of the top as well. Man in the 80's and early 90's we really had some great tough guys.

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I miss Chris Nilan.

Useless enforcers from the last 12 years or so since Nilan left:

Todd Ewen
Mario Roberge
Gerry Fleming
Chris Murray
Dave Manson
Mick Vukota (a disgrace to the #21)
Terry Ryan
Sylvain Blouin
Dave Morissette
Jonathan Delisle
Aaron Asham
Jim Cummins
Gino Odjick
Reid Simpson
Francis Belanger
Enrico Ciccone
PJ Stock
Sylvain Blouin (again)
Gordie Dwyer


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Todd Ewen was a good enforcer..

Would Ivannis.. or whatever his name is.. be a decent enforcer in the NHL?

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Todd Ewen was a good enforcer..

Would Ivannis.. or whatever his name is.. be a decent enforcer in the NHL?
A good enforcer has to be someone who can actually play in the playoffs. At the height of Ewen's career in 92-93 he played 75 of 80 games in the regular season and actually scored 5 goals. But in the playoffs, he only played in 1 game out of 20.

Nilan could actually play in the playoffs, even if there weren't as many fights. Even Langdon scored a goal in the playoffs. Those were / are good enforcers. Todd Ewen was not.

I think Ivanans still has a long way to go and a lot to learn before you could even think of putting him on a regular 4th line shift at the NHL level. He definitely has the size and nastiness to succeed though.

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If we only talk about fighting ability, I ask this question : Does anyone remember Gilles Lupien and Jeff Brubaker? These guys wew nasty. I remember Lupien knocking out two Golden Seals players in the same fight. And I remember Brubaker jumping on the ice for a shift without his stick and gloves!

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If we only talk about fighting ability, I ask this question : Does anyone remember Gilles Lupien and Jeff Brubaker? These guys wew nasty. I remember Lupien knocking out two Golden Seals players in the same fight. And I remember Brubaker jumping on the ice for a shift without his stick and gloves!
I always saw Lupien as more of a wrestler than a good fighter. His best move was the takedown where he grabbed the opponents hockey pants (sounds obscene) & wrestled him to the ice. I thought Bouchard & Chartraw among others were better fighters from that era.
I don't remember much about Brubaker.

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I thought Kordic was the best pure fighter with Mtl. I don't recall him losing. I remember him tko'ing Wendel Clark and to his credit, stopped throwing punches when he realized Clark was pretty well out on his feet.

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