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02-02-2013, 06:06 PM
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I don't fully agree with this...I seriously don't think he feels he's at Stamkos' level, and I don't think he has a "Big attitude problem". I think people want to create a perceived attitude problem where there isnt one. The guy didn't want to be the 3rd fiddle behind Kesler and Henrik for the forseeable future, he's not AV's prototype 3rd line center so what was his role going to be? If I were in his shoes I'd do the exact same thing. If you are an offensive player you want to be in a position where you can establish yourself as such, and that wasn't going to happen in Vancouver.

If Buffalo wants to put him as their 1st line center then they obviously are prepared to deal with his defensive warts in order to get some offense out of him...it's just kind of stupid that they don't seem to put him with any other players with a defensive conscience to cover up his defensive mistakes.
That's only true if he would only accept a role at center. Plenty of room - even now - for a winger with the knack for being at the right place/right time and the ability to snipe it.

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02-02-2013, 06:07 PM
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I don't fully agree with this...I seriously don't think he feels he's at Stamkos' level, and I don't think he has a "Big attitude problem". I think people want to create a perceived attitude problem where there isnt one. The guy didn't want to be the 3rd fiddle behind Kesler and Henrik for the forseeable future, he's not AV's prototype 3rd line center so what was his role going to be? If I were in his shoes I'd do the exact same thing. If you are an offensive player you want to be in a position where you can establish yourself as such, and that wasn't going to happen in Vancouver.

If Buffalo wants to put him as their 1st line center then they obviously are prepared to deal with his defensive warts in order to get some offense out of him...it's just kind of stupid that they don't seem to put him with any other players with a defensive conscience to cover up his defensive mistakes.


I don't know if I agree with that Canucker. Yes, he was going to get stuck behind better Cs here, but that shouldn't matter to a rookie. Multiple "offensive players" put in the grunt work early in their careers to get their chance later. Even if they don't think it's better for their development.


He wanted too much, too fast. You got to put in the work. Pay your dues, like every other good rookie out there.


Look at Kadri, probably just as suspect defensively, if not more so, and he spends a looong time in the Leafs development cycle before even cracking their roster. He could have demanded a trade at any point, but he didn't. It's a process Hodgson wasn't willing to endure.

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02-02-2013, 06:10 PM
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Alarm bells should've been ringing when he and his agent took issue with being benched in the playoffs. I don't know that there's any way you can justify that. He had 8 games of NHL experience prior to those playoffs and then he expects to be served ice-time on a golden platter?

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02-02-2013, 06:11 PM
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Kelly Hrudey made an excellent point right after the trade sharing his own experience.

He stated that in '84 with the Islanders, they had LaFontaine as a rookie playing behind Tonelli and Sutter as the 3rd line Center. Both of which were 100 pt centers.

He said that LaFontaine was patient, worked hard and eventually took over the top Center spot because eventually if you're good enough your talent is going to shine through. But you have to earn it.

Hodgson appeared to not want to earn it. He wanted it to be given to him.

Kassian for instance was benched in the playoffs. Like Hodgson the year before. He didnt sulk, he worked harder in the summer and earned his spot on the team. Something that makes me like him much more.
I don't think it had anything to do with Hodgson not wanting to "earn" anything...He wasn't in the same contractual situation as Lafontaine. Hodgson is an RFA after this season and if he doesn't produce any significant offensive numbers he has zero leverage when it comes to negotiations. He has a better chance of producing in Buffalo than he did in Vancouver.

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02-02-2013, 06:13 PM
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I don't think it had anything to do with Hodgson not wanting to "earn" anything...He wasn't in the same contractual situation as Lafontaine. Hodgson is an RFA after this season and if he doesn't produce any significant offensive numbers he has zero leverage when it comes to negotiations. He has a better chance of producing in Buffalo than he did in Vancouver.
I agree that contract situations are much different now. I just would have loved to seen him prove his worth. He did do what's better for himself financially though

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I don't think it had anything to do with Hodgson not wanting to "earn" anything...He wasn't in the same contractual situation as Lafontaine. Hodgson is an RFA after this season and if he doesn't produce any significant offensive numbers he has zero leverage when it comes to negotiations. He has a better chance of producing in Buffalo than he did in Vancouver.
That's great for Cody, but clearly Gillis, AV and the fans would prefer someone who actually wants to be here over a few extra million on their 2nd contract. Given his production in Buffalo (8 points in 20 games last season and 6 in 8 this season), I can't imagine he would lose out on very much money by staying here.

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Man is there a ceremony in TO every week?

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Until the first week of the playoffs

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HNIC promo was pretty good....but didn't show much of Canadian teams......no canucks at all not even Bure goal

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That's great for Cody, but clearly Gillis, AV and the fans would prefer someone who actually wants to be here over a few extra million on their 2nd contract. Given his production in Buffalo (8 points in 20 games last season and 6 in 8 this season), I can't imagine he would lose out on very much money by staying here.
Of course its great for Cody, thats who he's looking out for.

And I think you'd be wrong about how much he'll make as the 1st line center in Buffalo compared to what he'd make as the 3rd line center in Vancouver...but it's all speculation.

Plus...it's pretty funny to be scoffing at someone elses millions of dollars that they'd be passing up. I'm sure EVERYONE other than Cody Hodgson would love to see him make millions less because its not their money.

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Of course its great for Cody, thats who he's looking out for.

And I think you'd be wrong about how much he'll make as the 1st line center in Buffalo compared to what he'd make as the 3rd line center in Vancouver...but it's all speculation.

Plus...it's pretty funny to be scoffing at someone elses millions of dollars that they'd be passing up. I'm sure EVERYONE other than Cody Hodgson would love to see him make millions less because its not their money.
He's on pace for 60 points courtesy of Vanek who, as he does every season, will soon cool down. Looking at his whole stint there he's producing at exactly 41 point pace.

It's irrelevant that he's a 1st line centre if his production doesn't match it. He was getting all the minutes he needed here and he just didn't show enough to get more. Now he's getting more minutes and the points are still the same.

Maybe he makes more on his 2nd contract, but he would've become a better player here with a better career income. My scoffing was at the shortsightedness of his move.

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I usually cheer for the Leafs and against the Bruins, but a part of me wouldn't mind seeing a repeat of last year's season series with Reimer letting in a few tonight.

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He's on pace for 60 points courtesy of Vanek who, as he does every season, will soon cool down. Looking at his whole stint there he's producing at exactly 41 point pace.

It's irrelevant that he's a 1st line centre if his production doesn't match it. He was getting all the minutes he needed here and he just didn't show enough to get more. Now he's getting more minutes and the points are still the same.
If you simply say he's not going to improve at all throughout the season, ok. And if it's based on Vanek falling off the map, sure.

It's all speculation...the odds of him having a better offensive season are better in Buffalo than they were in Vancouver...thats the bottom line.

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I usually cheer for the Leafs and against the Bruins, but a part of me wouldn't mind seeing a repeat of last year's season series with Reimer letting in a few tonight.
I'm hoping for M.A.D.

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I don't think it had anything to do with Hodgson not wanting to "earn" anything...He wasn't in the same contractual situation as Lafontaine. Hodgson is an RFA after this season and if he doesn't produce any significant offensive numbers he has zero leverage when it comes to negotiations. He has a better chance of producing in Buffalo than he did in Vancouver.

Then why doesn't every future top6 player attempt to do this? Why does Zetterberg play two years in Detroit's bottom6 before getting paid a decent amount, instead of just requesting a trade to a team that has current top6 openings?

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Of course its great for Cody, thats who he's looking out for.

And I think you'd be wrong about how much he'll make as the 1st line center in Buffalo compared to what he'd make as the 3rd line center in Vancouver...but it's all speculation.

Plus...it's pretty funny to be scoffing at someone elses millions of dollars that they'd be passing up. I'm sure EVERYONE other than Cody Hodgson would love to see him make millions less because its not their money.
Going to be some interesting trade negotiations

Hodgson's agent: Cody is a 1c who put up 60 points and he's young and improving. We expect due respect to be shown and a fair offer. $25m over 5 years.

Buffalo: Cody can't play D, he's terrible at it and is a liability on the ice. His points come from playing with better players like Vanek. Until he can show more defensive ability we don't feel comfortable with anything over $2m per for 2 years.

Agent: Good day sir. Our trade request will be in the mail this afternoon.


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I don't think it had anything to do with Hodgson not wanting to "earn" anything...He wasn't in the same contractual situation as Lafontaine. Hodgson is an RFA after this season and if he doesn't produce any significant offensive numbers he has zero leverage when it comes to negotiations. He has a better chance of producing in Buffalo than he did in Vancouver.
And that's a garbage attitude to have. The Sedins put in 4-5 years before they got anything beyond 3rd line/2nd PP minutes and you didn't hear them requesting trades to temporarily increase their earning potential. The Canucks (and the other teams around the league for that matter) are filled with guys who put in time as depth players and are now being paid handsomely as a result.

And even if one accepts that as an acceptable attitude for a rookie to have, it might end up blowing up in his face as I don't see how his earning potential is going to increase if he continues down this road. His points per game has actually dropped since leaving Vancouver and his defensive inadequacies have been thrust to the forefront. I'd imagine the market value for a 3rd line C who puts up 40-45 points is higher than a guy getting 1st line minutes and putting up 45-50 points while being on the ice for 100 goals against in a season.

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1-0 Boston, open the floodgates.

Oops sorry guys, wrong thread, didn't realize I clicked on the Hodgson thread.

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I'm hoping for M.A.D.
Not sure what you mean by this, but there's 1-0.

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1-0 Boston, open the floodgates.

Oops sorry guys, wrong thread, didn't realize I clicked on the Hodgson thread.
Every thread is a Hodgson thread. Get out of here.

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Then why doesn't every future top6 player attempt to do this? Why does Zetterberg play two years in Detroit's bottom6 before getting paid a decent amount, instead of just requesting a trade to a team that has current top6 openings?
Maybe they don't have smart agents? Maybe they haven't had issues with the coach besmirching their character? I'm not sure...I'm not saying Cody Hodgson didn't do a selfish thing here, but he did do something that was completely within his rights and he did it in a way that wasn't at all disruptive to the team. He never demanded a trade, he requested it and he never went public...he still worked hard and didn't do anything to the franchise that would diminish his value in a trade. The worst thing Hodgson can be accused of is looking out for himself.

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I wonder how much money will hodgson get in his next contract? He definately won't get anywhere near 5 million

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Not sure what you mean by this, but there's 1-0.
M.A.D. = Mutually Assured Destruction

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Every thread is a Hodgson thread. Get out of here.
Hard to argue that.

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And that's a garbage attitude to have. The Sedins put in 4-5 years before they got anything beyond 3rd line/2nd PP minutes and you didn't hear them requesting trades to temporarily increase their earning potential. The Canucks (and the other teams around the league for that matter) are filled with guys who put in time as depth players and are now being paid handsomely as a result.

And even if one accepts that as an acceptable attitude for a rookie to have, it might end up blowing up in his face as I don't see how his earning potential is going to increase if he continues down this road. His points per game has actually dropped since leaving Vancouver and his defensive inadequacies have been thrust to the forefront. I'd imagine the market value for a 3rd line C who puts up 40-45 points is higher than a guy getting 1st line minutes and putting up 45-50 points while being on the ice for 100 goals against in a season.
It's easy to say thats a "garbage attitude" when its not your career earnings that are on the line.

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