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01-24-2013, 12:58 AM
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The Sedins and Shootouts

First off, I love Henrik and Daniel. They're two of the best players in the entire NHL and easily the best players on our team. We're extremely lucky to have them.

But seriously, they are so bad at shootouts it hurts. Daniel scored that one nice goal against Turco but other than that they can never seem to get anything done. It might have something to do with the fact that their games are much better suited to cycling rather than fancy stick-handling and creativity, but some of the things they pull off mid-game (Henrik heading the puck into the zone, Daniel lofting it over Hiller's shoulder from the blue line) are creative as hell. So what's the problem?

They never seem to come in with much speed, other than the one goal Daniel had on Turco (keep in mind that this was on a washed up Marty Turco: )



Most of their attempts look a little more like this:



Some more good, again from Daniel:



But those are few and far between. The majority are either slow dribblers, failed dekes or misses altogether. Maybe they just can't decide what to do on time, maybe they can't handle the pressure...who knows? But bottom line: these guys shouldn't be used until the sudden death rounds.

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That's because you can't fake the pass in the shootout.

But seriously, maybe it's just me but they seem to be very passive in the shootout. It's like they aren't going full speed, or trying to go side to side a lot, just seems like a lot of quick, small dekes and trying to go five-hole.

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01-24-2013, 01:13 AM
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they should never ever be in shootout lineup card ever again. but a.v always puts one of them in. they even admit it themselves they stink at it.

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never again please.

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I cringe every time the Sedins are out there, especially in the top 3. What the hell is AV thinking putting a Sedin out there when there are multiple other guys who are more likely to score? Raymond? Higgins? Schroeder? Kassian? The Sedins should go no earlier than any of these guys, even lower when Kesler and Booth are back.

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01-24-2013, 01:48 AM
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Either they don't get selected for shootout or they should have special training on it. Wasting their training time on such things is not recommended as they should train on what they are supposed to do and which they are good at instead. Let others do the shootout stuff.

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01-24-2013, 10:13 AM
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To me, it's a bit silly that you can't use your best players in a situation where the game is on the line.

This just points to the fact the shootout is a stupid gimmick, no? A roll of the dice that is going to decide playoff seeding. It's sort of a joke.

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01-24-2013, 11:33 AM
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To me, it's a bit silly that you can't use your best players in a situation where the game is on the line.

This just points to the fact the shootout is a stupid gimmick, no? A roll of the dice that is going to decide playoff seeding. It's sort of a joke.
While it is a gimmick. Not all players are effective at penalty shots. Often times you are allotted too much time to think, thus over-analysing your options. The Sedins are just too accustom to cycling the puck between each other to settle into a penalty shot mentality.

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01-24-2013, 02:21 PM
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I think for players who aren't shootout "naturals" should just work on one or two of the more proven moves, such as the wrister blocker side or the leg kick backhand deke. These moves don't work all the time and they might become predictable but they are sure better than what the Sedins usually do...

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There is something off about the Sedins in the shootouts. Is it confidence? Is it that they don't want to be seen as showing off? Do they not realize that a turtle would move faster than them? Maybe they are just too stubborn. I don't get it.

They obviously have some sick moves in them though:

Why not try going between the legs like this? Even if he screwed it up, it would still be infinitely better than the garbage attempts they've put forth so far.

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01-24-2013, 02:53 PM
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To me, it's a bit silly that you can't use your best players in a situation where the game is on the line.

This just points to the fact the shootout is a stupid gimmick, no? A roll of the dice that is going to decide playoff seeding. It's sort of a joke.
No, it points to the fact of why our scoring dries up everyone once in awhile and we make certain goalies look like future HHOFers. No one on this team that can dangle and snipe at high speed. We get worse goal production in the playoffs because refs call less penalties the deeper into the playoffs we go. Kassian looked pretty good and Burrows has his one move, but you will never see a Canuck that is feared for it during in-game situations. Extremely embarrassing when you have two former Art Ross trophy winners and they suck in a shootout. Sedins are phenomenal thinkers of the game and know how to pass, but their one-on-one skillset is horrendous. Shootouts highlight high-end, one-on-one offensive ability.

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I don't know why they didn't develop a go to move either. I've wondered about the through the legs move, maybe it doesn't work for him in shootouts with the angles he comes in.

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Whether it's a 'gimmick' or not, the reality is it's become an integral part of a team's record during the regular season. Given the fact the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs is now miniscule in today's NHL, I suggest AV think long and hard about who he picks.

Some will say 'well, the Sedins must be good in practice, so that's why he picks them!'. That may be well and true, but they certainly aren't good in games, and there's a big enough sample size now to determine that it ain't no fluke. Besides the data, you can just watch and determine for yourself. When they are in the shootout it's like they have no plan on what to do. They don't have a select few 'go-to' moves like most of the premier SO specialists have.

Selecting either Sedin in the top 3 is just bad coaching at this point. I'm aware that the Canucks depth in slick SO scorers isn't high, but it sure as heck isn't low enough either to be placing either Sedin in the top 3.

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I think the Canucks stink in shootouts overall. Every time I see a player take the slow dipsy doodle turns on the goalie instead of going full speed, I want to put my foot through the tv. Go in with speed and the goalie will have less time to react, if a player has trouble making moves or picking spots on the fly, they shouldn't be in the shootout lineup. It isn't rocket science.

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Our shootouts should be

Burrows
Schroeder
Kassian

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sedins and i repeat should never ever be on the shootout lineup card ever

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New rule: Teams allowed two players on the shootout against a goalie and a D.

Circus move, but I've never liked the shootout deciding a team game.

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Honestly i think they should learn from Linden (in the past)... keep it simple. Remember all Linden did was rush in with speed and found an opening and shot the puck. It worked more often than not. Elder was doing the same thing last year and had success (to a point where he's a regular this year with Kesler out).

D. Sedin has one of the best wrist shots in the league (and Hank isn't bad either). They should just go in, pick a spot, and let it rip. They try to be too creative/fancy but honestly they are not the 1 on 1 type and isn't going to stickhandle a puck in the net all that often. Honestly pretty sure they would be better than Elder as long as they kept it simple.

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Learn from Tambellini... skate in fast on your offside and just rip a shot.

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Its just not their style of game. I get pissed off when AV ever tries them.

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Our shootouts should be

Burrows
Schroeder
Kassian
Kassian should go 2nd so he's guaranteed to shoot.

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Two failed attempts and it's like Edler's fallen off the face of the earth.

The guy's a great shootout guy.

I would go with

Kassian (until he slows down)
Edler
Burrows
(Kesler)

Schroeder
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They don't come in with speed. Daniel could probably be successful if he just came in, made 1/2 moves and sniped.

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They don't come in with speed. Daniel could probably be successful if he just came in, made 1/2 moves and sniped.
For the Sedins, they don't come in with any speed nor do they stickhandle with the puck. Puck never leaves their blade. They don't move the puck side to side the way you see P. Kane do it. If the puck is always on your stick, much easier for the goalie to follow the puck and anticipate your move.

As for the Nucks in general in the S/O, they suck. Main reason is their lack on young players. Talking about guys drafted post lockout.

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They don't come in with speed.





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