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01-27-2013, 10:52 PM
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Now you are just trolling me.

BTW did I ever say I wanted Luongo now, reading comp 101.
As a great songwriter put it: "You do it to yourselllllllllllllf!"

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01-27-2013, 10:53 PM
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Now you are just trolling me.

BTW did I ever say I wanted Luongo right now, reading comp 101.
You say Grabo needs to go ASAP, before his market value is at zero..... then in the same thread advocate Grabo for Lou.

What is one to think, based on these premises?

Round and round, and round we go....

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01-27-2013, 10:53 PM
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As a great songwriter put it: "You do it to yourselllllllllllllf!"
I think Mackinnon is 6'3 210lbs

I worry about Drouin's size, while pumping Mackinnon's tires. Too funny.

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01-27-2013, 10:56 PM
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I think Mackinnon is 6'3 210lbs

I worry about Drouin's size, while pumping Mackinnon's tires. Too funny.
Who said any of that?

What does that have to do with the thread at hand?

Play it your way?

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01-27-2013, 10:56 PM
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You say Grabo needs to go ASAP, before his market value is at zero..... then in the same thread advocate Grabo for Lou.

What is one to think, based on these premises?

Round and round, and round we go....
No, I said we make a move at the deadline, preferably when we are way out of it, I even said we may wait till the summer for Luongo. It's not hard to read my posts.

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01-27-2013, 10:59 PM
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Who said any of that?

What does that have to do with the thread at hand?

Play it your way?
This is becoming comical, you said you were worried about Drouin's size, Savard ring a bell, instead when I asked you what was mackinnon's size you go into this Abbott and Costello routine. You can't even remember your own posts.

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01-27-2013, 11:03 PM
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"I think Mackinnon is 6'3 210lbs "

Nothing of this nature was ever said.... I would suggest you stop trying to coax people into arguments...

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01-28-2013, 12:11 AM
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just keep right on losing and playing the young guys. heck what's left, 40 games? I could do that standing on my head.

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01-28-2013, 04:26 AM
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lose lose lose lose lose


trade phaneuf


lose more


trade kessel


draft player


lose a bunch again

find a goalie

win some games






that is my 2 year plan

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01-28-2013, 04:30 AM
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lose lose lose lose lose


trade phaneuf


lose more


trade kessel


draft player


lose a bunch again

find a goalie

win some games






that is my 2 year plan
That's alot closer to a 5+ year plan.

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01-28-2013, 06:59 AM
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Perry, Getzlaf, Roy, Weiss, Horton, Clowe, Filppula, Smid, Howard, Backstrom all come to mind.

Plus whatever players become available in trades.

If the Leafs are out of it by the deadline which is looking very likely the time to trade Grabo is then. There will be little to no market for him in the off-season. After the deadline he is a declining trade asset. When an analyst like Pierre McGuire says we're asset poor he is right.

One of the ways a team can get better is by trading their good but not top building blocks for picks/prospects at their high value point and gain cap space/flexibility to use later on.

The Panthers gutted their team core (Horton, Ballard) and are now in a better place for it.

Minny traded Burns for a nice package and the following summer had the cap room to sign Suter/Parise.

Ottawa traded Fisher and now have one of the best prospect pools.

LA traded Cammi for a futures package.

In almost every trade where a player with a significant salary is traded that team is looking for picks/prospects. Toronto needs to line up more picks/prospects and cap space to get some difference makers on this team. A lot of teams will be needing to shed salary.
Never happened.

None of those players are available.

At the deadline the Leafs have $29,049,703 cap space, and have $16,334,167 available space for next year.

You even use trades which means salary out salary in.

There is no cap space issue.

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01-28-2013, 07:29 AM
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lose lose lose lose lose


trade phaneuf


lose more


trade kessel


draft player


lose a bunch again

find a goalie

win some games






that is my 2 year plan
Looks bulletproof to me.

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01-28-2013, 08:19 AM
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Trade Dion Phaneuf for TJ Oshie
Trade Mikhail Grabovski for Detroit 1st round pick
Sign Ryan Getzlaf, Ladislav Smid, and Kari Lehtonen

Joffrey Lupul - Ryan Getzlaf - Phil Kessel
James Van Riemsdyk - Nazem Kadri - TJ Oshie
Nikolai Kulemin - Tyler Bozak - Matt Frattin
Leo Komarov - Jay McClement - Mike Brown
Colton Orr

Jake Gardiner - Ladislav Smid
Morgan Rielly - JM Liles
Cody Franson - Mike Komisarek

Kari Lehtonen
James Reimer

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01-28-2013, 08:23 AM
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"I think Mackinnon is 6'3 210lbs "

Nothing of this nature was ever said.... I would suggest you stop trying to coax people into arguments...
What you did say was you had reservations of Drouin's size and that we should draft Mackinnon instead.

I simply pointed one of your many contradictions last night, since Mackinnon is the same height and weight (3lbs+) as Drouin.

Not arguing at all, simply asking why do you have different rules for different players?

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01-28-2013, 08:31 AM
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Why do you?

Adam Erne
6'0, 205lbs

"Erne is good this game, but will scouts like his size?"

This ends my participation in any sort of argument. I'm not dealing with mods, or ruining others' board experiences by playing into your games.

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01-28-2013, 08:53 AM
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For the record:

Jonathan Drouin 5'11 176lbs
Nathan Mackinnon 5'11 179lbs

/Spin away

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01-28-2013, 09:08 AM
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For the record:

Jonathan Drouin 5'11 176lbs
Nathan Mackinnon 5'11 179lbs

/Spin away
I'm not too concerned about size, but watching both play, Mackinnon has a significantly stronger core.

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Trade Dion Phaneuf for TJ Oshie
Trade Mikhail Grabovski for Detroit 1st round pick
Sign Ryan Getzlaf, Ladislav Smid, and Kari Lehtonen

Joffrey Lupul - Ryan Getzlaf - Phil Kessel
James Van Riemsdyk - Nazem Kadri - TJ Oshie
Nikolai Kulemin - Tyler Bozak - Matt Frattin
Leo Komarov - Jay McClement - Mike Brown
Colton Orr

Jake Gardiner - Ladislav Smid
Morgan Rielly - JM Liles
Cody Franson - Mike Komisarek

Kari Lehtonen
James Reimer
If only life where that easy.......

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I'm not too concerned about size, but watching both play, Mackinnon has a significantly stronger core.
Mackinnon plays more physical, like Crosby, and he's had his concussion problems, given he is small in stature, a worry for Drouin by the poster above. His style may be a style he needs to adapt against NHL'ers.

Drouin is slippery, and he's elusive, a point can be made he can handle the NHL better since he doesn't play a physical game.

Anyway, I was just making a point, the poster above said he had concerns about Drouin's size, but has been pumping Mackinnon's tires all year. Hypocritical assessment I thought that was.

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01-28-2013, 09:16 AM
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ErnieLeafs and Interactif, you guys really need to get a room.

I'm usually down for a good old fashioned debate but this is nuts.



Anyway, while I don't enjoy the Leafs losing I can't help but wonder how much a top 5 pick in this draft would help the organization.

Seems to be the only positive around here lately...what with our two recent losses and all.

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Trade Dion Phaneuf for TJ Oshie
Trade Mikhail Grabovski for Detroit 1st round pick
Sign Ryan Getzlaf, Ladislav Smid, and Kari Lehtonen

Joffrey Lupul - Ryan Getzlaf - Phil Kessel
James Van Riemsdyk - Nazem Kadri - TJ Oshie
Nikolai Kulemin - Tyler Bozak - Matt Frattin
Leo Komarov - Jay McClement - Mike Brown
Colton Orr

Jake Gardiner - Ladislav Smid
Morgan Rielly - JM Liles
Cody Franson - Mike Komisarek

Kari Lehtonen
James Reimer
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If only life where that easy.......
It doesn't even have to be complicated.

Sign Getzlaf and Lehtonen.

Lupul-Getzlaf-Kessel
JVR-Grabovski-Kulemin
Komarov-Kadri-Frattin
one billion options

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Liles
Rielly-Komisarek/Kostka/Holzer/Fraser

Lehtonen
Reimer

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01-28-2013, 09:22 AM
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It doesn't even have to be complicated.

Sign Getzlaf and Lehtonen.

Lupul-Getzlaf-Kessel
JVR-Grabovski-Kulemin
Komarov-Kadri-Frattin
one billion options

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Gardiner-Liles
Rielly-Komisarek/Kostka/Holzer/Fraser

Lehtonen
Reimer
Except Lehtonen re-upped with Dallas, did he not?

Getzlaf will likely do the same with Anaheim (IMO).

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01-28-2013, 09:24 AM
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I think a major component behind a successful team is chemistry and chemistry needs to be gained with experience. The Leafs have like 4 guys I can think of off the top of my head that they have drafted on this roster. We could start over and build that way or we could keep this current core group of guys together and add pieces hoping they'll find some sort chemistry and and take the necessary steps to becoming a contender. I wish I had a definitive answer for which direction will lead to a successful franchise in the near future.

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It's funny when people say "we need to bottom out, draft Jones/MacK/Barkov, then sign Getzlaf and Perry in FA".

It's like it's so easy. You're NOT going to attract those guys, unless they have the specific desire to play on their home soil, and if that was the case, what about a tank inspires them to play here.

Simply nonsense.

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It's funny when people say "we need to bottom out, draft Jones/MacK/Barkov, then sign Getzlaf and Perry in FA".

It's like it's so easy. You're NOT going to attract those guys, unless they have the specific desire to play on their home soil, and if that was the case, what about a tank inspires them to play here.

Simply nonsense.
You mean like what EDM did with Schultz?

Like Parise and Suter joining a team that had missed the POs 4 straight years?

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