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01-31-2013, 11:33 AM
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Hawks Two Weaknesses That Need To Be Addressed

I see two weaknesses on the Hawks that need to be addressed by the trade deadline.
1. The Hawks are really hurting at the face off dot. They lose far too many face offs and especially in their own end. Toews is the only center on the Hawks who is able to consistently win face offs. The others are out right terrible at the dot.
2. The Hawks still have a big lack of grittiness. Putting Shaw back at wing would help some what but the Hawks need to pick up another one or two gritty players for the 3rd and 4th lines.

It was the face offs in their own end that cost them the game last night. It could get really ugly for the Hawks if CC starts to tail off but hopefully he will keep improving and learn to keep his legs closed. That is his biggest weakness.

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01-31-2013, 12:03 PM
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Only 1 player was below 55% in faceoffs last night (Bolland)

That issue is far too over blown.

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01-31-2013, 12:11 PM
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I remember seeing quite a few faceoffs this year where we win it but nobody makes a move on the puck to complete the "won" faceoff. This is making our numbers worse than they should be. They need to work on going after the puck when our center makes it playable.

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Only 1 player was below 55% in faceoffs last night (Bolland)

That issue is far too over blown.
134/154 on the season as a team outside of Toews. 46% as a team outside your #1 C is pretty damn bad.

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/\ Both Wild goals came directly from lost face offs. Technically Kruger won the draw on the one goal, but Shaw got outhustled to the loose puck. Those stats are interesting but obviously not all face-offs are equal. We tend to lose a lot of the important ones. There's no denying that.

As for the team's grittiness: I've noticed quite an improvement for the most part and when Carcillo returns, that should help further. We were "charmin" soft last year. But yeah, it's still an issue that will likely get more obvious as the teams begin to hit their stride.

Knock on wood, Crawford has been better but I still think netminding is our biggest vulnerability. The condensed schedule will reward the teams with strong goaltending from both their #1 and #2.

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134/154 on the season as a team outside of Toews. 46% as a team outside your #1 C is pretty damn bad.
Actually, it's really not that bad.

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Actually, it's really not that bad.
46% is not that bad? I'd hate to see what you do consider bad, then.

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Only 1 player was below 55% in faceoffs last night (Bolland)

That issue is far too over blown.
Since they are a puck possession style team and because they aren't built to clog up the ice or sit back in the defensive zone, I think it's more important than most teams. Kruger, Bolland, and Shaw are less than 45%.

Anybody that isn't on Toews line doesn't get the puck too often and when that 2nd line does get out there for a favorable matchup, half the shift or more is wasted 1 to 4 times a game because they don't have anybody that is at least average on the dot.

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Chicago is 15th in the league in FO%.

They have won 17 more and lost 40 more than the 3rd place team, it's not that bad.

That's a differential of 22FO over 7 games. or 3 faceoffs a game.

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/\ Both Wild goals came directly from lost face offs. Technically Kruger won the draw on the one goal, but Shaw got outhustled to the loose puck. Those stats are interesting but obviously not all face-offs are equal. We tend to lose a lot of the important ones. There's no denying that.

As for the team's grittiness: I've noticed quite an improvement for the most part and when Carcillo returns, that should help further. We were "charmin" soft last year. But yeah, it's still an issue that will likely get more obvious as the teams begin to hit their stride.

Knock on wood, Crawford has been better but I still think netminding is our biggest vulnerability. The condensed schedule will reward the teams with strong goaltending from both their #1 and #2.
I've seen you say this at least a couple of times now and it strikes me as you suggesting that the Hawks are somehow the only team in the league that has hit their stride right from the get-go. A. Who's to say they have hit their stride already? B. If they have, for discussion's sake, I highly doubt they're the only team that has.

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I'm not so sure the Hawks have hit their stride as they are not even close to how they played the 1st couple of games. They started to show a few of the bad habits from last year but that could also be from a lack of practices. Hard to have practices when you have to play so many games in a shortened year. Come March some teams are really going to struggle due to fatigue from the older players. The bonus for the Hawks is that they are still relatively young. The key for them will be how they conserve their energy between games.

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/\ In this instance I was referring to the fact that in this shortened season the games will get more physical, as every game is magnified in importance. And yes as players get in better physical shape the gritty play will become more intense.

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Chicago is 15th in the league in FO%.

They have won 17 more and lost 40 more than the 3rd place team, it's not that bad.

That's a differential of 22FO over 7 games. or 3 faceoffs a game.
Throw away your stat sheet and watch the games.

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Since they are a puck possession style team and because they aren't built to clog up the ice or sit back in the defensive zone, I think it's more important than most teams. Kruger, Bolland, and Shaw are less than 45%.

Anybody that isn't on Toews line doesn't get the puck too often and when that 2nd line does get out there for a favorable matchup, half the shift or more is wasted 1 to 4 times a game because they don't have anybody that is at least average on the dot.
I totally agree that being a puck possession team they need to be far better at the face off dot. They are far from being gritty enough to keep losing those important face offs. Winning face offs is very important for a puck possessing team.

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with apologies for sounding like bowman, i'm happy going with what we have.

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Throw away your stat sheet and watch the games.
When I watch, the Hawks win more than they lose.

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with apologies for sounding like bowman, i'm happy going with what we have.
How dare you!

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with apologies for sounding like bowman, i'm happy going with what we have.
I been saying this for I dunno how long.

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The difference between this team being a 1st round exit and Stanley Cup champion is a #3C and a 4th line banger who won't hurt you defensively.

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Agreed, this team isn't going anywhere without some meaningful trades. We saw it last year and the year before. They are playing better now than they did before but are still missing a center and some toughness, plus a 2nd goalie.

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They could still go thru the playoffs without another goalie. Our PP needs to improve more than anything. With all the extra penalties were seeing called this year, the Hawks could really thrive with a good PP

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They could still go thru the playoffs without another goalie. Our PP needs to improve more than anything. With all the extra penalties were seeing called this year, the Hawks could really thrive with a good PP
Yeah, we definitely will need some help in the lineup though. It's asinine to think this team is strong enough to do nothing while others load up and still roll through playoffs. This isn't 09-10. It's a very good team but not close to that level.

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1. A player to shoot third in the shootout
2. Backup goalie

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1. A player to shoot third in the shootout
2. Backup goalie
2 things that mean nothing in the playoffs...

And coldsteel, I'm not saying we shouldn't sign any help, but the team could make a run as is if they are healthy and their PP becomes real effective.

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2 things that mean nothing in the playoffs...

And coldsteel, I'm not saying we shouldn't sign any help, but the team could make a run as is if they are healthy and their PP becomes real effective.
Ya, those are the last 2 things we should acquire.

I'm OK with getting a good FO Cman, but it's not a back breaker if we don't get one.

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