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02-01-2013, 04:26 PM
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Yea you are right, secondary scoring isnt provided by players other than the first line. Its only provided by Stepan. My mistake.

Why dont we instead talk about how Pyatt has as many goals as Richards and Nash combined? Pyatt isnt a secondary scorer though, because his name is Pyatt, not Stepan.
Apparently "key focal point of the secondary scoring" means "Derek Stepan IS the secondary scoring" in your world.

Pyatt was doing just fine.....until he got put on a line with Stepan. That sort of thing is happening way too much for my liking.

The top line has been scoring. Boyle and his line have played well in a checking role. The 4th line never plays. Hmmm, I wonder whats left?

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The top line has been scoring.
No, Gaborik has been scoring. 3 goals from Richards and Nash in 7 games is not "scoring".

It amuses me that you think everyone else on the team is garbage, so its only Stepan that you expect to score.

But if the rest of the team is garbage, isnt that a far BIGGER problem?

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What the eff you guys talking about ?

Pyatt is a 2nd liner on this team ... basically because we have no real 2nd liners left ... a bunch of borderline 3rd/4th line players

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What the eff you guys talking about ?

Pyatt is a 2nd liner on this team ... basically because we have no real 2nd liners left ... a bunch of borderline 3rd/4th line players
3/4th liners is probably over stating their talent.

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3/4th liners is probably over stating their talent.
Halpern Rupp Asham ... thats right, they are no NHL players ...

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I think one thing that people have to take into consideration is the fact that he is still just really young and unfortunately has really big expectations on him.

I feel like some people might not be aware that he is younger than Hagelin and Mcdonagh and is unfortunately put in a position where I don't think he was set to excel.... I still say he needs to be playing with Nash.. He is simply not going to produce with guys like Callahan/Pyatt/Hagelin.

The most comical thing is that he is still being crucified by people on here when is he 5th on the team in points, 3rd in shots and doesn't even make a million dollars a year.

I know people will disagree with me on this but the top 3 Nash/Richards/Gaborik needs to show me more. For the amount of money invested in them they MUST be difference makers every night.

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02-01-2013, 04:57 PM
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It's more about people overvaluing an asset than it is that "a process that we don't understand".

Ideally, he's a 3rd line center (on a championship team).

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I say it again, Stepan just wasnt ready for this season. His mindset is absolutetly lacking. He just didnt expect to play this season at all ...

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It's more about people overvaluing an asset than it is that "a process that we don't understand".

Ideally, he's a 3rd line center (on a championship team).
Which teams' 3rd line centers would you rather have than Stepan?

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We love over-hyping guys like Stepan, while throwing away like trash, guys like Parenteau, Korpikoski. Sather just gets a pass for that.


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I say it again, Stepan just wasnt ready for this season. His mindset is absolutetly lacking. He just didnt expect to play this season at all ...
Yeah, same goes for the playoffs, last year.

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This board makes me sick to my stomach at times. This kid has put up 120 points in two years under a coach who is the most defensive minded coaches in the league. He has never missed a game in his 3 years as a pro, he is one of the best penalty killers we have had in the last three years, he has averaged about 19 minutes of ice per game the last two years, and he is 22 years old.

He has never been a great skater ala The Great one, Brad Richards so for you guys to keep hounding on that it's retarded. This kid has put up numbers every where he has been and he will break out of this goal slump and by the end of the year this thread will not exist.

To compare him to Eberle is a joke. It is a total different situation that Eberle is in. The Oilers are a team that was not going to win anything the last 3 years and if you look at Eberle's plus minus report you would understand that this kid does not have to play any defense at all to stay in the line-up. If Stepan makes a mistake on the wrong side of the puck he will be playing with Rupp and Asham, period. When you are playing for something like the Rangers have the past two seasons it is a lot more impotant that you take care of all three zones on the rink, and if you watch Eberle play you would understand what I am talking about. Stepan with about 3 weeks left in the season last year led the entire league in the plus minus category.

I think it's time to lay of the 22 year old and address the real problems on this team such as our star goalie to this point has been awful, our 22 million dollar line has been awful and our 1-2 d-men have been awful. Why don't you guys make a "Hank thread". That is a bigger problem than the 22 year old who by the way is 4th on the team in scoring.
120 points in 2 seasons huh? I guess 120 is the new 96?

Thanks for the update on your NHL '13 campaign.

Richards has sucked too but his name isn't part of this thread title. If you want people to bash him some, start a thread.


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We love over-hyping guys like Stepan, while throwing away like trash, guys like Parenteau, Korpikoski. Sather just gets a pass for that.
A pass? Sather may be the most scrutinized man in the history of this organization.

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Which teams' 3rd line centers would you rather have than Stepan?
You really don't want to go there. I just took a look at Anaheims Centers ... and there are two people already ...

The way Steps has played this season I'd take/find somebody else, for suuuure ... but again. His mindset is ****ed for the season, maybe in 10 games he gets into it ...

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You really don't want to go there. I just took a look at Anaheims Centers ... and there are two people already ...
I'm dying to know who.

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We love over-hyping guys like Stepan, while throwing away like trash, guys like Parenteau, Korpikoski. Sather just gets a pass for that.
He will be eventually.

But I dont think the two things are related.

Rangers didnt think Parenteau was ever much better than an AHL guy.

Its not like they decided that since they have Stepan they dont want a 50+ point a year guy.

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A pass? Sather may be the most scrutinized man in the history of this organization.
Not for those moves, he wasn't.

NOBODY in here gave a damn when we let Parenteau walk for nothing.

All those self-proclaimed hockey geniuses were silent. Yet they kept singing the praises of our "golden boys".

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I'm dying to know who.
Winnik and Cogliano. Mind though that is because Steps blew in almost any aspect of the game thus far this season. Defensively he is fine, but thats about it.

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Winnik and Cogliano. Mind though that is because Steps blew in almost any aspect of the game thus far this season. Defensively he is fine, but thats about it.
Hmmm. So you admit that you're basing it solely on a 7 game sample, then proceed to list a winger and the Ducks 2nd line center, both of whom no rational mind would rate above Stepan.

I'd ask you to go through to other teams, but I don't think I can bear it.

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Stepan stood out in college because he had superior vision and was great at anticipating the play. Those skills haven't translated as well at the NHL level. The game is too fast for him.

Not the first time it's been mentioned and probably won't be the last, but he really needs to improve his skating. I don't think it's improved at all since he entered in the league. I know he uses a skating coach, but the Rangers should try to get him to take lessons with Barb Underhill, it can't hurt to try.

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**** it guys. Seriously **** it. Let's just get Barbara Underhill to coach the power play.

"With elegance and grace, we score on the power play."

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**** it guys. Seriously **** it. Let's just get Barbara Underhill to coach the power play.

"With elegance and grace, we score on the power play."
Who cares about scoring? Numbers are irrelevant to hockey, I just want the elegance and grace.

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If you were to post the poll on the other 29 teams websites as to whether or not they would want Derek Stepan over their current #2 center, approximately 25 of them would be a solid "Yes" vote. The exceptions being Pittsburgh, Carolina, San Jose, Detroit. Krejci and Seguin don't play enough center for me to count them, otherwise it would be 24.
Nice try with 25 teams wanting Stepan as their #2C-muhahaha!!

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Who cares about scoring? Numbers are irrelevant to hockey, I just want the elegance and grace.
It would be pretty impressive to see torts coaching with Barbara. that's a pretty awesome team.

But serious with step, I hold no greater expectation that for him to IMPROVE to an anisimov and I'll be happy.

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Nice try with 25 teams wanting Stepan as their #2C-muhahaha!!
Totally, I doubt you could find 6 teams that would take Stepan as a #4 center.

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