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02-01-2013, 11:36 AM
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Everyone has to stop complaining about line shuffling. Happened with Bruce, happened with Hunter, happens all around the NHL.

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Everyday I'm shufflin.

I'll see myself out. Thanks.

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I'm warming up to the idea of tanking but it'll pretty much kill a Ribeiro extension, no?

Also if the plan was to tank, why acquire a good player in the first place? We could probably suck more efficiently without him.

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02-01-2013, 12:43 PM
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I'm warming up to the idea of tanking but it'll pretty much kill a Ribeiro extension, no?

Also if the plan was to tank, why acquire a good player in the first place? We could probably suck more efficiently without him.
They could always try to pull what the O's did with Bordick, and trade him with the understanding that they'd offer him a FA contract.

Risky, though, for someone who's only played here for a couple weeks.

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02-01-2013, 12:44 PM
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I'm warming up to the idea of tanking but it'll pretty much kill a Ribeiro extension, no?

Also if the plan was to tank, why acquire a good player in the first place? We could probably suck more efficiently without him.
Tank and thy may have lost Eakin for nothing.

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Tank and thy may have lost Eakin for nothing.
Nah, it's clearly an elaborate ploy to raise Joel Ward's trade value and then ship him away. McPhee is one step ahead of all of us.

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They could always try to pull what the O's did with Bordick, and trade him with the understanding that they'd offer him a FA contract.

Risky, though, for someone who's only played here for a couple weeks.
It's just frustrating because Ribeiro looks like the best player we've had in a couple years. He could be a medium to long term solution to our secondary scoring. Or I guess he could flame out like every other Cap on a long term deal

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02-01-2013, 01:01 PM
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It's just frustrating because Ribeiro looks like the best player we've had in a couple years. He could be a medium to long term solution to our secondary scoring. Or I guess he could flame out like every other Cap on a long term deal
I don't disagree, though his track record is such that I don't see a flame out at all.

Give him a two year extension and I'm happy.

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It's just frustrating because Ribeiro looks like the best player we've had in a couple years. He could be a medium to long term solution to our secondary scoring. Or I guess he could flame out like every other Cap on a long term deal
I second this. At this point I want a full tank... draft a stud, re-up Ribeiro, bring at least Forsberg and hopefully Kuz over and go from there.

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I don't disagree, though his track record is such that I don't see a flame out at all.

Give him a two year extension and I'm happy.
I said in another thread (or was it this one?). 4years at 6m per. If we can get less, then gravy.

Maybe 2 years ay 6m per. 4 years at 5m per, 6m/6m/4m/4m

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I said in another thread (or was it this one?). 4years at 6m per. If we can get less, then gravy.

Maybe 2 years ay 6m per. 4 years at 5m per, 6m/6m/4m/4m
And Joel Ward should contribute at least $1.5 of that per year.

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02-01-2013, 01:09 PM
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I said in another thread (or was it this one?). 4years at 6m per. If we can get less, then gravy.

Maybe 2 years ay 6m per. 4 years at 5m per, 6m/6m/4m/4m
4 years takes him to 37. A bit to old for that type of player, IMO.

Shorter term would also keep him hungrier.

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I don't envision Ribeiro accepting less than 3 years, and even that is pushing it. I think four gets the job done.

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4 years takes him to 37. A bit to old for that type of player, IMO.

Shorter term would also keep him hungrier.
yeah-- but the way he plays isnt reliant on speed or size. So I think unless he gets hurt, the age wont matter to him as it might to another player.

That said, I understand. But I wouldnt want to lose him over it.

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yeah-- but the way he plays isnt reliant on speed or size. So I think unless he gets hurt, the age wont matter to him as it might to another player.

That said, I understand. But I wouldnt want to lose him over it.
I worry about his quickness, which he uses frequently, declining with age.

Not sure if I'd do 4 years if that's what it took to get it done. There's a positive argument to be made, from a team building standpoint, for stability. But there's also the negative argument to be made that too many long term contracts makes the team stale (that could be a contributor to the struggles we're seeing now).

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02-01-2013, 01:39 PM
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I said in another thread (or was it this one?). 4years at 6m per. If we can get less, then gravy.

Maybe 2 years ay 6m per. 4 years at 5m per, 6m/6m/4m/4m
I'd rather make a longer term play for Weiss. A 7 year contract would keep him here through his prime and he fits better as the C behind Backstrom than Ribeiro. If we're keeping Ovechkin he seems like a guy who'd work really well with him as well.

Shed all the bloated salary of our bottom 6/bottom 2 players, tank, nail the UFA class and come in roaring next season. That's what I'd do.

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02-01-2013, 02:06 PM
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I'd rather make a longer term play for Weiss. A 7 year contract would keep him here through his prime and he fits better as the C behind Backstrom than Ribeiro. If we're keeping Ovechkin he seems like a guy who'd work really well with him as well.

Shed all the bloated salary of our bottom 6/bottom 2 players, tank, nail the UFA class and come in roaring next season. That's what I'd do.
I'm normally very optimistic about our odds of signing players. And crap teams do get good ufas from time to time. But the situation in Washington looks nuclear. I don't see any good players signing here if things don't turn around.

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I worry about his quickness, which he uses frequently, declining with age.

Not sure if I'd do 4 years if that's what it took to get it done. There's a positive argument to be made, from a team building standpoint, for stability. But there's also the negative argument to be made that too many long term contracts makes the team stale (that could be a contributor to the struggles we're seeing now).
We've seen significant roster turnover. The locker room should be anything but "stale." Just look at the current line-up.

Ovechkin - Beagle** - Crabb*
Chimera - Ribeiro* - Ward**
Wolski* - Backstrom - Brouwer**
Hendricks - Johansson - Fehr***
Perreault

Alzner - Green
Erskine - Carlson
Schultz - Kundratek**
Poti***, Hamrlik**

*First year with team
**Second year with team
***Return to team after time away

Granted, some of these newer guys are the ones who are actually playing well (Ribs, Ward, Brouwer). But nearly half of the team has joined within the last two years.

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Everyone has to stop complaining about line shuffling. Happened with Bruce, happened with Hunter, happens all around the NHL.
Yes, but the combination of issues is the point. Some stability, some time to figure out the new system without also having to learn new linemates is the in order. You shuffle lines once everyone knows what to do regardless of their line.

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I'm normally very optimistic about our odds of signing players. And crap teams do get good ufas from time to time. But the situation in Washington looks nuclear. I don't see any good players signing here if things don't turn around.
If we can sell them on having a good core and having tons of promise it's more than possible.

Flyers were worst in the league then brought in half of next year's UFA class. Burke got two fairly highly regarded players at the time in Komisarek and Beauchemin. Just show players what the lines would be and who the coach would be and I think it's doable.

Weiss alone might not entice him, but perhaps if he knows he's playing with Ovechkin and the 2nd line is strong enough to dominate on its own it would diffuse his concerns.


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If we can sell them on having a good core and having tons of promise it's more than possible.

Flyers were worst in the league then brought in half of next year's UFA class. Burke got two fairly highly regarded players at the time in Komisarek and Beauchemin. Just show players what the lines would be and who the coach would be and I think it's doable.

Weiss alone might not entice him, but perhaps if he knows he's playing with Ovechkin and the 2nd line is strong enough to dominate on its own it would diffuse his concerns.
well...the flyers were still the flyers and had one bad season.
burke is in toronto where half the league's players grew up and can play at home.
btw....komisarek and beauchemin are two good examples of why throwing around big ufa money is often very counter productive. the movement satisfies fans that demand to see changes and aggressive action. but if it goes wrong, your dead....still

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Can we please get someone who doesn't get battered everytime he drops the gloves? Poor Hendricks has to step up all the time because no one else will.

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well...the flyers were still the flyers and had one bad season.
burke is in toronto where half the league's players grew up and can play at home.
btw....komisarek and beauchemin are two good examples of why throwing around big ufa money is often very counter productive. the movement satisfies fans that demand to see changes and aggressive action. but if it goes wrong, your dead....still
Beauchemin was a solid player for them, got traded for one of the best returns in recent history and went on to play like a top pairing defenseman in Anaheim.

Komisarek busted but at the time everyone thought he was the next Adam Foote.

Toronto usually has a pretty hard time attracting good free agents as far as I recall. They have to overpay Blakes and whatnot.

You can find those kinds of excuses for any team. I was just trying to point out that a team finishing in the basement can in fact sign in demand UFAs and it happens fairly regularly.

Caps now and Flyers 2007 could be fairly comparable. We still have Ovechkin, Backstrom, Alzner, Carlson, Orlov. Except while JVR was a late arrival we'd have the top pick available next year, as well as Forsberg.

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Hamrlik trade rumors

Iv read around the site in a few threads that Hamrlik is being shopped around league for a possible trade. makes sense as to why he has been a scratch its just a matter of time I suppose. Anyone have any insight on this? possible trade options and what not.

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