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03-07-2005, 04:47 PM
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Trades for Flyers post-CBA

What players from the Flyers would interest any other team if/when hockey starts back up? What would you offer in return? I am so bored right now. The NCAA tournament will arouse my interest next week, but I am really feeling the loss of the NHL right now. Amuse/abuse me. . .

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Not much actually.
Clark wont trade guys like Gagne or Pitkanen and the rest
is mostly overpaid veterans, who have no trade value.
The Flyers will look a lot different once hockey resumes.
There are so many free agents and lots of roster spots to be filled

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LeClair will be bought out, and probably Amonte too. The lockout may have actually helped the Flyers because they can get rid of their huge contracts without having to pay them that much in buyout money.

Signing Carter and Richards will also be a high priority, IMHO.

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If Amonte and Leclair are bought out ...

So that leaves (assuming Carter and Richards are signed) after July 2005.

I'm not predicting line combinations. Just showing depth.

Gagne-Roenick-Knuble
Kapanen-Handzus-Somik
Brashear-Primeau-Radivojevic
Fedoruk-Sharp-Stevenson

Carter
Richards
Umberger
Meloche

Johnsson-Seidenberg
Pitkanen-Markov
Timander-Jones

Esche-Niittymaki


The most obvious need is on defense. If they can re-sign Malakhov it would help. They would still need another guy if they don't want Randy Jones in the top 7.

In the forward lines, you would expect Carter and Richards to make the team, pushind guys like Brashear and Somik back doen to the lower lines. Assuming Carter plays 2nd line and Richards 3rd, I think a scoring RW is a priority fr the Flyers.

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Signing Carter and Richards is key, definitely. Someone must be interested in Handzus. Radivojevic, Kapanen, etc. or one of our defensemen, though, right?

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We cannot have Brashear AND Fedoruk in the lineup every night. We will need another decent winger, if the buyouts go as planned.

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Yea and we can't have Somik on the roster.

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Signing Carter and Richards is key, definitely. Someone must be interested in Handzus. Radivojevic, Kapanen, etc. or one of our defensemen, though, right?
Handzus would definately get interest but i doubt the flyers would want to move him but it could open up the second or third line centre spot up for Carter. He could definately garner a solid return. Brashear could also get something in return depending on his contract maybe something like what the rags got for Simon.

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Handzus would definately get interest but i doubt the flyers would want to move him but it could open up the second or third line centre spot up for Carter. He could definately garner a solid return. Brashear could also get something in return depending on his contract maybe something like what the rags got for Simon.
Simon is as capable of Donald but he has much more offense and skill to his game. Don't see the value the same at all.

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If Amonte and Leclair are bought out ...

So that leaves (assuming Carter and Richards are signed) after July 2005.

I'm not predicting line combinations. Just showing depth.

Gagne-Roenick-Knuble
Kapanen-Handzus-Somik
Brashear-Primeau-Radivojevic
Fedoruk-Sharp-Stevenson

Carter
Richards
Umberger
Meloche

Johnsson-Seidenberg
Pitkanen-Markov
Timander-Jones

Esche-Niittymaki


The most obvious need is on defense. If they can re-sign Malakhov it would help. They would still need another guy if they don't want Randy Jones in the top 7.

In the forward lines, you would expect Carter and Richards to make the team, pushind guys like Brashear and Somik back doen to the lower lines. Assuming Carter plays 2nd line and Richards 3rd, I think a scoring RW is a priority fr the Flyers.
Where is Desjardin and Rags? If they are not back free agents will be signed, the D you have here would be one of the worst in the league. Jones will be nothing but an emergency energency fill in., Timander will be doubtful as well. I don't think the Flyers are that high on Seidenberg ie: hitchcock from what someone in the organizationhas told several people. Somik and Fedoruk will be out as will Kapanen, was already thinking about retiring.

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Ragnarsson will be back. Timander most likely will not. Kapanen has said he wants to come back, but his children are going to school in Finland. I also agree about Somik. I think there is a spot for him on the team, but not on the second line. Hopefully, we can re-sign Zhamnov, and go with Gagne-Zhamnov-Roenick as a top line.

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Simon is as capable of Donald but he has much more offense and skill to his game. Don't see the value the same at all.
I was just saying it could be a starting point for a trade to build from. i would much rather have Simon as well but that trade could be used as a reference.

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A deal involving Jason Smith/Steve Staios and Handzus could be potentially workable if the Flyers are looking for a top four d-man. Something decent would probably need to be added from Edmonton's end (definitely if it is Staios) to even it out though...

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Signing Carter and Richards is key, definitely. Someone must be interested in Handzus. Radivojevic, Kapanen, etc. or one of our defensemen, though, right?
Handzus is intriguing to almost every team around the league, so he's got some pretty decent value in my mind. Radivojevic is a type of guy that, again, many teams could use his services. Kapanen, due to his size, has limited trade value simply because smaller teams around the league, won't want to touch him, not because of his skill, but because of his lack of size; there definitely are quite a few teams out there lacking in the physical department.

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Ragnarsson will be back. Timander most likely will not. Kapanen has said he wants to come back, but his children are going to school in Finland. I also agree about Somik. I think there is a spot for him on the team, but not on the second line. Hopefully, we can re-sign Zhamnov, and go with Gagne-Zhamnov-Roenick as a top line.
Somik has the most unreliable hands in the nhl, he can handle the puck but when it comes to getting a goal...don't count on him for anything that's not already there. Kapanen agreed to a two year extension so he'll be coming back and that's a good thing.

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A deal involving Jason Smith/Steve Staios and Handzus could be potentially workable if the Flyers are looking for a top four d-man. Something decent would probably need to be added from Edmonton's end (definitely if it is Staios) to even it out though...
Makes a heck of a lot of sense to me. Give the Oil the big center they need, and the Flyers get an excellent gritty defensive dman.

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Makes a heck of a lot of sense to me. Give the Oil the big center they need, and the Flyers get an excellent gritty defensive dman.
The Oilers however don't have a lot of depth on defense; quality depth at least.

Semenov, Staois, Smith, Brewer, Ferguson, Bergeron, Wowyitka, Lynch, and Cory Cross. That right there is a decent defense, however, you take a Staois or Smith out of that 'core' and you're left with a pretty weak defense if injury occures.

If I was Kevin Lowe, i'd package up Smith and a forward, for a Centre and a dman. The Oilers can afford to lose a dman, if they get a dman back.

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Makes a heck of a lot of sense to me. Give the Oil the big center they need, and the Flyers get an excellent gritty defensive dman.
The timing makes a lot of sense as well as Woywitka has had another full year to develop and should be ready to step into an NHL role next season. He's struggled at times this year but I still expect him to jump right into the lineup and be fairly effective as he keeps the game relatively simple...

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The Oilers however don't have a lot of depth on defense; quality depth at least.

Semenov, Staois, Smith, Brewer, Ferguson, Bergeron, Wowyitka, Lynch, and Cory Cross. That right there is a decent defense, however, you take a Staois or Smith out of that 'core' and you're left with a pretty weak defense if injury occures.

If I was Kevin Lowe, i'd package up Smith and a forward, for a Centre and a dman. The Oilers can afford to lose a dman, if they get a dman back.
The problem is that the Oilers won't be able to get a top 6 centerman back in that scenario unless the d-man going the other way is Brewer. Eric Brewer is the one Oilers d-man that I definitely don't want to see moved as he logs all the big minutes and we have no one to take his place in the lineup. Losing Smith/Staios would hurt but Woywitka could do a decent job in his place for a season and Semenov should hopefully be ready to take on a larger role as well.

Likewise, the Oilers can turn to looking for a more offensively capable second pairing d-man after they sure up their situation at centre. They have enough assets to acquire such a player if they need to...

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Ragnarsson will be back. Timander most likely will not. Kapanen has said he wants to come back, but his children are going to school in Finland. I also agree about Somik. I think there is a spot for him on the team, but not on the second line. Hopefully, we can re-sign Zhamnov, and go with Gagne-Zhamnov-Roenick as a top line.
Ragnarsson said last week in a inteview that he's probably staying in Sweden even if there's a NHL season this fall.
He's playing for Almtuna (near Uppsala) right now, a tier 2 team.

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Ragnarsson said last week in a inteview that he's probably staying in Sweden even if there's a NHL season this fall.
He's playing for Almtuna (near Uppsala) right now, a tier 2 team.
Got a link for that?

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Where is Desjardin and Rags? If they are not back free agents will be signed, the D you have here would be one of the worst in the league. Jones will be nothing but an emergency energency fill in., Timander will be doubtful as well. I don't think the Flyers are that high on Seidenberg ie: hitchcock from what someone in the organizationhas told several people. Somik and Fedoruk will be out as will Kapanen, was already thinking about retiring.
Again! This wasn't meant to be lines. Just who will be under contract. Desjardins and Ragnarsson will be UFAs this July.

Timander signed in Europe and with the Flyers. He should be back next year.

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from MN - Pascal Dupuis & a 2nd Rounder
PHI - rights to Bruckler and Potulny


Dupuis has a booming shot, and is a good two way player...the general concensus is that if he was in a more offensive minded system, he could be a 50-60 point player...as for what minny gets, it alleviates a logjam for philly at goalie and center.

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from MN - Pascal Dupuis & a 2nd Rounder
PHI - rights to Bruckler and Potulny


Dupuis has a booming shot, and is a good two way player...the general concensus is that if he was in a more offensive minded system, he could be a 50-60 point player...as for what minny gets, it alleviates a logjam for philly at goalie and center.
If they did acquire Dupuis they could afford to move Hanzdus and go with Roenick, Carter, Primeau, Sharp down the middle. With a bit more depth at LW Gagne could be used at centre when needed.

Make a serious proposal for Dupuis.

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dupuis for seidenberg

i like dupuis in philly... and with hitchcock

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