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01-27-2013, 11:21 AM
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Yup, points are all that matters. Crosby brings nothing else to the table /sarcasm
Ovi was a PLUS 105 over 4 years. He lead the league in EV goals for 3 straight years - led the league in shots 6 times. Ovi doubled the production of 2nd point leader on his team until his 4th season. I think people forget just how bad the Caps were until Ovi came.

I am not saying Ovi is so much better than Crosby, but that he has had the better career.

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01-27-2013, 11:25 AM
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01-27-2013, 11:32 AM
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My vote goes to Stamkos or Dats

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01-27-2013, 11:42 AM
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When we're talking about who's the better player, I think points have a whole lot to do with it.
If we're playing fantasy, sure

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01-27-2013, 11:48 AM
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If we're playing fantasy, sure
Isn't that what playing armchair GM is? After those first four years, if I'm looking around the league and get to pick one player for free to start a new team, I pick Ovechkin. 10 out of 10.

The contested statement was "at no time was Ovechkin better than Crosby," and that's clearly debatable, since we're debating it. Obviously if we're saying "right now," you take Crosby no question, whether it's for his career OR just this season. Unless of course, you're the Caps and a boring kid like Sid isn't gonna save your franchise (also debatable).

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01-27-2013, 12:05 PM
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If we're playing fantasy, sure
Okay what do you look at to judge who was the better player?

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01-27-2013, 12:07 PM
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I don't debate Crosby vs. Ovechkin anymore. I did it for years. Anyone who picks Ovechkin doesn't understand the complexities of hockey. There's no other way around it.

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Ovechkin isn't even top-5 anymore.

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01-27-2013, 12:09 PM
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I don't debate Crosby vs. Ovechkin anymore. I did it for years. Anyone who picks Ovechkin doesn't understand the complexities of hockey. There's no other way around it.
Score goals, win games?

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01-27-2013, 12:12 PM
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Ovechkin isn't even top-5 anymore.
I can't imagine anyone would disagree.

Seriously let's get back to talking about Ovechkin. What the hell happened to him? I don't buy the "guys know how to defend him now" stuff. That hasn't stopped any elite player ever in the game of hockey like it has Ovechkin. Maybe Cheechoo.

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01-27-2013, 12:12 PM
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I don't debate Crosby vs. Ovechkin anymore. I did it for years. Anyone who picks Ovechkin doesn't understand the complexities of hockey. There's no other way around it.
Lol. I fine it hard to believe anyone would take Crosby prime over Ovi prime. Ovechkin 65 goal season is one of the greatest years of all time.

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01-27-2013, 12:17 PM
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Too easy to even retort.

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01-27-2013, 12:18 PM
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there is more to hockey than goals.

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The dirty little secret of comparing Ovechkin-Crosby is Ovechin's teams actually had more talent for at least a couple of those years, but never were able to do anything in the playoffs.

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Ovechkin at 27 years old is 2 years removed from his prime. Crosby is still getting better.

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01-27-2013, 12:23 PM
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Yea hockey is about scoring more goals than the other team. And Alex is one of the greatest goal scores ever.

From 07-11 Ovechkin was a PLUS 28, 8, 45, and 24. That equals to being a plus 105.

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01-27-2013, 12:24 PM
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there is more to hockey than goals.
Especially when comparing a center to a wing. Especially when Ovechin frequently had Backstrom and other talented players on his line while Crosby frequently has had to make do with dreck such as Pascal Dupuis on his wings.

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Yea hockey is about scoring more goals than the other team. And Alex is one of the greatest goal scores ever.

From 07-11 Ovechkin was a PLUS 28, 8, 45, and 24. That equals to being a plus 105.
There is more to hockey than doing math.

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Ovechkin at 27 years old is 2 years removed from his prime. Crosby is still getting better.
That's not what we're arguing. Crosby's greatest value lies in his ability and drive to improve himself in whatever area he finds himself lacking.

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Especially when comparing a center to a wing. Especially when Ovechin frequently had Backstrom and other talented players on his line while Crosby frequently has had to make do with dreck such as Pascal Dupuis on his wings.
Crosby played with Malkin.

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01-27-2013, 12:26 PM
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Crosby played with Malkin.
Not all the time, not anywhere close to all the time.

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01-27-2013, 12:28 PM
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There is more to hockey than doing math.
I am sorry. I wasn't lucky enough to watch every single game Ovi and Sid played over their careers. I have to rely on statistics.

It takes a team to win a Cup not 1 player.

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01-27-2013, 12:30 PM
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Not all the time, not anywhere close to all the time.
Yea but they always played on the PP and frequently on 5on5. Ovechkin had 106 points (52g) playing with Zubrus and Halpern. Zubrus was 2nd on the team with points with 57 pts.

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That's not what we're arguing. Crosby's greatest value lies in his ability and drive to improve himself in whatever area he finds himself lacking.
I'm not really arguing at all, just commenting. Every single person not affiliated with the Capitals that truly understands the sport will say Crosby. Ovi is more appealing to the eye of casual fans because he hits, he scores goals, he showboats and has more of a personality, but it's really not a contest.

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Crosby played with Malkin.
Mostly on the PP, not so much ES. ES he has most recently played with Dupuis and Cooke. Ovechkin played with Backstrom, Semin, and Mike Green. You don't have a case there. Or anywhere, really.

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There is more to hockey than doing math.
I laughed

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