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03-28-2013, 02:08 AM
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i beg to differ


Do you think any toughness is even needed? Are you happy with the toughness level of the lineup for today? Are you as anti enforcer anti fighting as you appear? Inquiring minds would to know

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And for the record, I don't think our 4th line in 2006-2007 scared anyone. Like, at all. Scary was going up against a blue line that had Niedermayer and Pronger, a Conn Smythe goalie, the best shutdown line in the league, and two scoring lines. Take all of that away and no one thinks the team is scary, 4th line or not.
That 4th line was so underrated.

May-Marchant-Thornton/Parros

I can only dream of having a line equivalent to that

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03-28-2013, 02:11 AM
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basically it proves when you combine skill along with toughness you not only get entertaining hockey you can actually win too what a concept!

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03-28-2013, 02:15 AM
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That 4th line was so underrated.

May-Marchant-Thornton/Parros

I can only dream of having a line equivalent to that
Maybe May in his hay day would scare some people, but the others do not.

I do however agree that those wingers were big bodies who played physical, but those guys could actually play hockey at a level above Maroon and Staubitz.

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03-28-2013, 02:17 AM
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Maybe May in his hay day would scare some people. I do agree that those wingers were big bodies who played physical, but those guys could actually play hockey at a level above Maroon and Staubitz.
i agree, but still I'm not asking to have a 4th line as good as that, but we have the personnel to put out a better 4th line then Dvorak-Steckel-Etem. That brings no scoring, no toughness, no energy, no fighting...literally nothing. My main argument is that while the 4th line isn't going to be great (because Murray hates physical play), it can still be better than what we're running out now

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03-28-2013, 02:18 AM
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That 4th line was so underrated.

May-Marchant-Thornton/Parros

I can only dream of having a line equivalent to that
It was underrated, but no one was intimidated by it. Chicago is a team that has scared teams this season, and tough they are not. Anaheim that season was a physical team, and they could bully other teams, but it was their dominating on-ice talent that was truly scary.

I don't care that much about adding toughness right now because that isn't this team's game. Adding tough players just for the sake of toughness is not going to win games. It isn't magically going to fix Anaheim's issues in these past few games. It doesn't stop our goalies from giving up soft goals. It doesn't help the team find the back of the net. It doesn't stabilize a blue line that has been turning the puck over.

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03-28-2013, 02:19 AM
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Maroon has more skill than anyone on that 4th line other than Marchant

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03-28-2013, 10:43 AM
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I do think having players that bring in physicality is incredibly underrated around here. Having guys like May and Thornton go out there and throw their body around is going to make opposing defensemen a little more cautious when they're on the ice and the hitting and grinding will do more to wear down an opposing defense which is very important in a playoff series. It definitely helped in the cup run - if we just relied on skill and finesse we don't win that cup. The intimidation factor helped.

That being said - PL3 and Rosehill won't do anything to help as they can't even catch opposing defensemen to hit them. Neither can Staubitz for that matter. I don't like how soft this team is but I don't see any in house solutions outside of dressing Beleskey. Maroon is good along the boards but doesn't exactly lay anyone out. A guy like Chris Neil or Cal Clutterbuck would help our bottom 6 tremendously but I doubt they're available.

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Maroon has more skill than anyone on that 4th line other than Marchant
Maroon has nothing on Shawn Thornton. I like Maroon but he's too slow to be put in the same category as Thornton who is in my opinion the best fourth liner in the league.

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03-28-2013, 12:14 PM
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Maroon has nothing on Shawn Thornton. I like Maroon but he's too slow to be put in the same category as Thornton who is in my opinion the best fourth liner in the league.
+1.

Honorable mention to the Kings 4th line right now.

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Yeah Maroon is good, and IMO should be here, not Norfolk, but Thornton was better. When we signed Maroon to his extension I mentioned how he's going to have develop more of a mean/nasty streak to stay in the NHL. He doesn't have the speed that Thorton had, but he can definitely be a similar player if he develops the right mindset.

As far as toughness in the lineup: i agree to an extent. If Dvorak has to be here for PK ability, then the club needs to send Etem down. I despise having those two on the same line, with Steckel at center anyway. Maybe Bones would make that line more dangerous, but for now it needs to be stopped. Beleskey should be in lineup full time IMO.

Maybe something like:

Palmieri-Getz- Perry
Ryan-Holland-Etem
Cogliano-Koivu-Selanne
Beleskey-Steckel-Winnik

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Maroon can play C.

Our 4th line should be:

PL3-Maroon-Staubitz

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Maroon has more skill than anyone on that 4th line other than Marchant
maroon has more skill than parros.

every other person on that line was far and above him skill wise.

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03-28-2013, 12:54 PM
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Maroon can play C.

Our 4th line should be:

PL3-Maroon-Staubitz
Fine with Maroon. Okay with Staubitz as long as he doesn't take the stupid penalties he tends to. Twice which cost the team the game.

PL3 has no place on a NHL team. 40 NHL games in 8 years of professional hockey. He hasn't even played a full AHL season. A one dimensional goon with no offensive/defensive help to the team. In best NHL season (27 games) he averaged less then 2 hits per game, how does that help increase the ducks physical game.

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Maroon can play C.

Our 4th line should be:

PL3-Maroon-Staubitz
You totally lose me in any argument because you think Letounreau-Leblond remotely resembles an NHL player. That line would be terrible. There's nothing wrong with our fourth line. It's line one-three that are the problem. Your fourth line's chief goal is to not get scored on and spend some time in the offense zone. For the most part ours does a pretty good job of that despite this free fall.

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Yeah Maroon is good, and IMO should be here, not Norfolk, but Thornton was better. When we signed Maroon to his extension I mentioned how he's going to have develop more of a mean/nasty streak to stay in the NHL. He doesn't have the speed that Thorton had, but he can definitely be a similar player if he develops the right mindset.

As far as toughness in the lineup: i agree to an extent. If Dvorak has to be here for PK ability, then the club needs to send Etem down. I despise having those two on the same line, with Steckel at center anyway. Maybe Bones would make that line more dangerous, but for now it needs to be stopped. Beleskey should be in lineup full time IMO.

Maybe something like:

Palmieri-Getz- Perry
Ryan-Holland-Etem
Cogliano-Koivu-Selanne
Beleskey-Steckel-Winnik
I would like to see this lineup tomorrow night. I would even be so bold and put Teemu on the fourth line. I love Teemu but he's at the end of his rope. I haven't seen him show that quickness in a while and it makes me sad. Palmieri and Etem have been the only two guys really skating lately and I'd like to see both in the top-6 too.

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Maroon can play C.

Our 4th line should be:

PL3-Maroon-Staubitz

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Beleskey needs to be in the lineup.

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Beleskey needs to be in the lineup.
Beleskey has missed two games this year.

Missing last nights was because of the stupid penalty he took the previous game.

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Maroon can play C.
Not doubting that he can but when has he ever played C in the past?

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Not doubting that he can but when has he ever played C in the past?
He played 4C against the Kings one game this year, and I thought he did pretty decent

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Not doubting that he can but when has he ever played C in the past?
He centered a line for one of the Kings games, I believe.

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He played 4C against the Kings one game this year, and I thought he did pretty decent
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He centered a line for one of the Kings games, I believe.
Ok thanks. I don't remember that very well but that's not to say it didn't happen. Must have been the second Kings game as Bonino scored a hat-trick in the first game playing 4C.

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You totally lose me in any argument because you think Letounreau-Leblond remotely resembles an NHL player. That line would be terrible. There's nothing wrong with our fourth line. It's line one-three that are the problem. Your fourth line's chief goal is to not get scored on and spend some time in the offense zone. For the most part ours does a pretty good job of that despite this free fall.
Thank god I'm not the only one. He looks like JFJ 2.0 down in Norfolk. He's an incredible fighter, but that's about it.

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This team is just so much better with Staubitz setting a physical tone. He had a nice check that got the boys going

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