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01-29-2013, 10:09 PM
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Kulemin has 2 bad games to start the year and people want him traded. Kessel can't score and they have radio shows devoting full half hours asking if they should trade him and they aren't even sure they can get a 1st round pick for him.... its crazy.

No need to overreact. Landeskog only has 1 point this year, do you think the Leafs can get him super cheap?


Anyways, there's 3 players that I target this off-season....

1. Brendan Morrow - Pick him up on a 2 year 2.5 mill contract. Plays between the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on structure next year and brings the leadership that is lacking.

2. Mason Raymond - Huge wheels. Replaces MacArthur on a top 6 role. Offer him something around 4 years with an average of 2.75 - 3.25mill.

3. Mark Fistric - Shutdown guy that throws out huge hits. Able to fight as well. 2 year at 2.0 mill.

Not the flashy names that people are expecting but good solid role players that a team needs. I'm curious to see what Raymond gets on the open market. Im guessing some desperate teams would offer him 3.5.

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01-29-2013, 10:10 PM
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Mystery Player:

HEIGHT: 5' 11"
WEIGHT: 177
Drafted after the first round.
Started out as a defensive specialist.
Played with a lot of heart, in the beginning was known more for his "intangibles" than his skating or hands.

Age 20: 80 25 28 53 6
Age 21: 78 21 36 57 3

Anyone care to guess? Sounds a lot like Ryan O'Reilly to me.
To sound like ROR he would need to have scored less than 30pts as a 20yr old.

Nice try.

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01-29-2013, 10:12 PM
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This guy wasn't even a PPG scorer in the freaking OHL.

But you guys are ready to give up a 1st and a 3rd and pissoff the Colorado management to get this guy to run our top line.

Seriously?

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01-29-2013, 10:15 PM
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To sound like ROR he would need to have scored less than 30pts as a 20yr old.

Nice try.
Wow. Did he **** your girlfriend or something? You basically rant about this in EVERY THREAD YOU POST IN. Cause that 20 extra points makes a huge difference. The arguments against my mystery player becoming anything special were exactly the same as your arguments against O'Reilly.

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01-29-2013, 10:18 PM
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Kulemin has 2 bad games to start the year and people want him traded. Kessel can't score and they have radio shows devoting full half hours asking if they should trade him and they aren't even sure they can get a 1st round pick for him.... its crazy.

No need to overreact. Landeskog only has 1 point this year, do you think the Leafs can get him super cheap?


Anyways, there's 3 players that I target this off-season....

1. Brendan Morrow - Pick him up on a 2 year 2.5 mill contract. Plays between the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on structure next year and brings the leadership that is lacking.

2. Mason Raymond - Huge wheels. Replaces MacArthur on a top 6 role. Offer him something around 4 years with an average of 2.75 - 3.25mill.

3. Mark Fistric - Shutdown guy that throws out huge hits. Able to fight as well. 2 year at 2.0 mill.

Not the flashy names that people are expecting but good solid role players that a team needs. I'm curious to see what Raymond gets on the open market. Im guessing some desperate teams would offer him 3.5.
Brendan Morrow is the only one from this that makes sense... The rest the Leafs have young players ready for these roles. Frattin should have had the roster spot over MacArthur at last years trade deadline never mind wait until his contract ends to just do another pointless move and sign Mason Raymon over committing to Frattin. Frasor is Mark Fistric and cheaper again why? The grass isn't greener on the other side most of the wholes this team has can be filled from in house.

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01-29-2013, 10:20 PM
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Wow. Did he **** your girlfriend or something? You basically rant about this in EVERY THREAD YOU POST IN. Cause that 20 extra points makes a huge difference. The arguments against my mystery player becoming anything special were exactly the same as your arguments against O'Reilly.
Twenty points are huge, if you could add twenty points to Bozak's 47 last year he'd have 67... Meaning Kessel would likely have more goals. Plus, Bozak is solid defensively and a great face-off man. If twenty points were nothing, we'd have our first line center right now, wouldn't we?

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01-29-2013, 10:24 PM
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Kulemin has 2 bad games to start the year and people want him traded. Kessel can't score and they have radio shows devoting full half hours asking if they should trade him and they aren't even sure they can get a 1st round pick for him.... its crazy.

No need to overreact. Landeskog only has 1 point this year, do you think the Leafs can get him super cheap?
Maybe with his head trauma.
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Anyways, there's 3 players that I target this off-season....

1. Brendan Morrow - Pick him up on a 2 year 2.5 mill contract. Plays between the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on structure next year and brings the leadership that is lacking.

2. Mason Raymond - Huge wheels. Replaces MacArthur on a top 6 role. Offer him something around 4 years with an average of 2.75 - 3.25mill.

3. Mark Fistric - Shutdown guy that throws out huge hits. Able to fight as well. 2 year at 2.0 mill.

Not the flashy names that people are expecting but good solid role players that a team needs. I'm curious to see what Raymond gets on the open market. Im guessing some desperate teams would offer him 3.5.
I like the train of thought but do we not have guys in the system to fill those holes? With ofcourse the exception of Morrow's leadership.

NExt year Mac would not even make our top 6, so replacing him might be a bit redundant. I think Fraser might be able to provide the same/similar thing as Fistric for 1/4 the price.

BUt as I said I like the train of thought. This team definitly needs someone to come in the room and provide an example to follow. Morrow is a good choice.

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01-29-2013, 10:26 PM
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Brendan Morrow is the only one from this that makes sense... The rest the Leafs have young players ready for these roles. Frattin should have had the roster spot over MacArthur at last years trade deadline never mind wait until his contract ends to just do another pointless move and sign Mason Raymon over committing to Frattin. Frasor is Mark Fistric and cheaper again why? The grass isn't greener on the other side most of the wholes this team has can be filled from in house.
Frattin can play on the 2nd or 3rd line as well. I think with the lack of depth of NHL talent with the Leafs, it's important to bring in players like Mason Raymond to push for a spot and just because something is working now, doesn't mean it will next year (as we've learned).

Its not a guarantee that Fraser will be back next year and I'm sure that he will be here, so its basically substituting one for another.

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01-29-2013, 10:27 PM
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Used to be a fan of morrow, but stars fans are really ragging on the guy apparently last 2 seasons his play has really declined...... Id like bringing him in for his leadership but I think Clowe would be a much better option while providing alot of the same qualities

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Wow. Did he **** your girlfriend or something? You basically rant about this in EVERY THREAD YOU POST IN. Cause that 20 extra points makes a huge difference. The arguments against my mystery player becoming anything special were exactly the same as your arguments against O'Reilly.
NO it was my mom.

I argue the point because I think it is rediculous to target a guy barely better than Grabo or Bozak, and even consider giving up a 1st round pick for him. ROR never hit a PPG in the OHL. But you want to give up a 1st round pick for him? I don't get it.

So tell us who your mystery players is?

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01-29-2013, 10:38 PM
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NO it was my mom.

I argue the point because I think it is rediculous to target a guy barely better than Grabo or Bozak, and even consider giving up a 1st round pick for him. ROR never hit a PPG in the OHL. But you want to give up a 1st round pick for him? I don't get it.

So tell us who your mystery players is?
I'm not defending the notion of trading our 1st for ROR right now because of how low we may finish, but saying he's barely better than Bozak is way off and shouldn't matter if he hit PPG in the OHL or not, he's going into his 4th year in the NHL after scoring 55 points on a poor team.

He's a very similar player to Bergeron, and if you want to compare their last year of CHL stats Bergeron only had 73 in 70 games in a higher scoring QMJHL while ROR had 66 in 68, so not really all that far off.

I'd really like to see what he could do in a season between Lupul and Kessel.

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Used to be a fan of morrow, but stars fans are really ragging on the guy apparently last 2 seasons his play has really declined...... Id like bringing him in for his leadership but I think Clowe would be a much better option while providing alot of the same qualities
I think that if it's a relatively cheap contract and for 1 or 2 years, then the worst thing that happens is he plays on the 4th line.

Clowe is a beast and his playoff performance this year with the Sharks will dictate what kind of contract that he's offered.

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NO it was my mom.

I argue the point because I think it is rediculous to target a guy barely better than Grabo or Bozak, and even consider giving up a 1st round pick for him. ROR never hit a PPG in the OHL. But you want to give up a 1st round pick for him? I don't get it.

So tell us who your mystery players is?
My guess is Gilmour...

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I'm not defending the notion of trading our 1st for ROR right now because of how low we may finish, but saying he's barely better than Bozak is way off and shouldn't matter if he hit PPG in the OHL or not, he's going into his 4th year in the NHL after scoring 55 points on a poor team.

He's a very similar player to Bergeron, and if you want to compare their last year of CHL stats Bergeron only had 73 in 70 games in a higher scoring QMJHL while ROR had 66 in 68, so not really all that far off.

I'd really like to see what he could do in a season between Lupul and Kessel.
BErgeron only played 4 games in his first season. So in his first full season in the Q he put up PPG numbers.


Rookie year he out scored ROR by 13pts in 10 fewer games played.
As a 21yr Bergeron scored 30 goals and 73pts.

ROR has never hit 20 goals, and only hit 50pts because he ws given the #1C TIO. He alternately played with Stasnty, Landeskog, and Hejduk.

So sorry if I don't see the Bergeron comparison.


Bozak/Grabo
I was talking all-round game. Bozak might not be as offensive but he is decent defensively and better at faceoffs. Grabo is just as good offensively. Maybe a shade behind defensely.

Still the difference is no where near the value of a 1st round pick. Rather keep Bozak and the 1st.

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My guess is Gilmour...
Then he is full of **** by miss leading us by saying the player was known for his defensive play. Dougie scored 177pts in his last year in the OHL. Real defensive specialist.

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BErgeron only played 4 games in his first season. So in his first full season in the Q he put up PPG numbers.


Rookie year he out scored ROR by 13pts in 10 fewer games played.
As a 21yr Bergeron scored 30 goals and 73pts.

ROR has never hit 20 goals, and only hit 50pts because he ws given the #1C TIO. He alternately played with Stasnty, Landeskog, and Hejduk.

So sorry if I don't see the Bergeron comparison.


Bozak/Grabo
I was talking all-round game. Bozak might not be as offensive but he is decent defensively and better at faceoffs. Grabo is just as good offensively. Maybe a shade behind defensely.

Still the difference is no where near the value of a 1st round pick. Rather keep Bozak and the 1st.
I think that's what you're missing, ROR has close to Selke caliber defensive skills while being a real good playmaker last year with limited talent to pass to. I agree the 1st is off limits at the moment, but I just think you're underrating O'reilly.

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Subban is the guy we should have offer-sheeted.

$3.25 million cap hit for 4-5 years and we'd only lose a 2nd

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I think that's what you're missing, ROR has close to Selke caliber defensive skills while being a real good playmaker last year with limited talent to pass to. I agree the 1st is off limits at the moment, but I just think you're underrating O'reilly.
You sure you guys aren't undervaluing what it means to play with a guy like Landeskog? OR Hejduk. Or Stastny?

Limited talent to pass too?????




WTF????

How can you be serious????


NEvermind. It isn't that he would not succeed between Kessel and Lupul, it is that we should be aiming a lot higher than ROR.

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Darren Dreger discusses trade talks picking up around the NHL and if Phil Kessel could be a target.

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He is???

I bet you he have better inside info then most, especially about the Leafs.

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Subban is the guy we should have offer-sheeted.

$3.25 million cap hit for 4-5 years and we'd only lose a 2nd
I thought we lose a first and a third or something.

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He is???

I bet you he have better inside info then most, especially about the Leafs.
He speculates a lot and fails to provide real rumours.

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As much as I like Kessel, I really do not think he will re-sign. He'd probably want to be in a smaller market.

It's better to trade him now when his value is high.

Kessel to Minnesota for 1st, 3rd and Dumba.

Let's be realistic, we won't get the same return as what we sent for Kessel.

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