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*ALL* PK Subban talk (News/Speculation/Rumors/Proposals) III
Not that I think this would happen, but if Subban held out all year in the shortened season and the Habs didn't like any trade options, would any of you deal him straight up for a lottery pick in the summer?
I personally think he is worth more since he is a proven top pairing guy right now, but I think that value would at least be enough for the Habs to deal him if there is simply no way they can sign him.
Would Montreal trade Subban if the return was going to be Jones, Drouin or Barkov? Sure, but for a lower pick I'd want the other team to add and I doubt the trade would be made before draft day.
Would Montreal trade Subban if the return was going to be Jones, Drouin or Barkov? Sure, but for a lower pick I'd want the other team to add and I doubt the trade would be made before draft day.
He's not worth a lottery pick. If that's offered Habs take it and run. At worst, you're looking at Lindholm. If higher than 5th, Nate, Drouin, Barkov or Jones.. They'd get one hell of a player
Would Montreal trade Subban if the return was going to be Jones, Drouin or Barkov? Sure, but for a lower pick I'd want the other team to add and I doubt the trade would be made before draft day.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bushes
We need Subban (or alternate D) right now. A pick can't play for this season.
I just love this, though. Subban a 23 year old defenseman has a ton of "potential" but Couturier, who is only a 20 years old is already pigeon holed into a 3rd line center.
It's happened so much in this thread, it's pretty unbelievable.
How true...Subs ceiling is forever but Couts who has just started his career and looking quite brilliant at times, has already panned out to a third line center...hilarious...sport fans can be so blind...
I don't understand how with the history the Canidiens have, thier GM can be this stupid.
Their gm is not being stupid. A two year deal will allow him the time to see if he is gonna be selfish, spotlight absorbing guy or a team guy with all the tools.
Do you consider Subban = a 3rd line center with potential to be more? Are you saying that there is a high chance Couturier will be a better player than Subban will be? Are you certain of this, because I'm not. In fact I would actually be stunned if he did.
Yes, trading Subban, a cornerstone of this franchise for a prospect would be moronic.
I would hate to bring up this issue with fans who believe Subban is the saviour. You cannot deny or at least think in the back of your mind that he does not get along playing well with other teammates. He led the league in minor penalties the past two years. I have no problem giving him a 2-3 year deal but I'd like to se if it's gonna be a persistant problem. In the meantime, players who teammates seem to be very fond of because of team first attitudes like Bogosian, Benn, or Couturier could replace his value. Upgrading our smallish centers would not be a bad thing.
Subban has potential, but he's also ALREADY a stud. He's one of the top young defenseman on planet Earth. Couturier is showing promise but is nowhere near the player Subban is right now. How is this debatable?
When the habs were eliminated last year, you didn't watch any play-offs did you.
you really think subban is worth more than a 1st round pick???
Absolutely, unless it's a top five pick, the odds of the player picked every being as good of a player as Subban has shown he can be are modest at best, and if the player beats the odds he's likely 4-6 years away from making a serious impact.
If you see yourself as a bottom five team, you don't do it. If you are a playoff team, you absolutely give up a 1st and a 3rd for Subban.
If you want Subban, you trade for him. Offer sheets won't go.
Fine, then you don't get Subban, just like you didn't have him yesterday, nothing is lost.
I don't know if Bergevin easily matches any offer sheet. What does it mean for his reputation if he firmly sticks to a 2 year $2.3 and $2.9 offer and then turns around and matches a $4.5, 5 year offer?
That's a tough decision for him to make. He can either lose the player and gain two picks for him or he can keep the player and have everyone questioning his integrity and his honestly.
What are other players going to think when he tells them for six months that his last offer is the best he can do, after he caves to an offer sheet worth more than twice his 'best' offer?
There's no question an offer sheet puts him in a really, really tough spot. And there is also no question an offer sheet makes more sense than offering more value than a first and third round pick.
Fine, then you don't get Subban, just like you didn't have him yesterday, nothing is lost.
I don't know if Bergevin easily matches any offer sheet. What does it mean for his reputation if he firmly sticks to a 2 year $2.3 and $2.9 offer and then turns around and matches a $4.5, 5 year offer?
That's a tough decision for him to make. He can either lose the player and gain two picks for him or he can keep the player and have everyone questioning his integrity and his honestly.
What are other players going to think when he tells them for six months that his last offer is the best he can do, after he caves to an offer sheet worth more than twice his 'best' offer?
There's no question an offer sheet puts him in a really, really tough spot. And there is also no question an offer sheet makes more sense than offering more value than a first and third round pick.
Pretty sure MB is not concerned about an offersheet. They are rare and i doubt anyone offersheets Montreal knowing that they can easily match. Offersheets rarely work. Those that have gone through generally backfire due to massive overpayment.
The Habs GM shouldn't be worried about an offersheet. It has no bearing on the negotiations at this time. If it happened, then he matches and is able to save face by matching under the guise of principle.
Ah yes, the famous shutting down of Malkin. 8 points in 6 games, I almost forgot.
How often do you see 19 yr old rookies being delpoyed against game breakers like Malkin? I believe their is a deeper stat in their about the points he got when Couturier was on the ice. If a kid has the defensive acumen for the game at that age and puts up 27pts in his rookie year with 3rd line pluggers, you have something big.
Fine, then you don't get Subban, just like you didn't have him yesterday, nothing is lost.
I don't know if Bergevin easily matches any offer sheet. What does it mean for his reputation if he firmly sticks to a 2 year $2.3 and $2.9 offer and then turns around and matches a $4.5, 5 year offer?
That's a tough decision for him to make. He can either lose the player and gain two picks for him or he can keep the player and have everyone questioning his integrity and his honestly.
What are other players going to think when he tells them for six months that his last offer is the best he can do, after he caves to an offer sheet worth more than twice his 'best' offer?
There's no question an offer sheet puts him in a really, really tough spot. And there is also no question an offer sheet makes more sense than offering more value than a first and third round pick.
Bergevin was an idiot for the way he handled Subban and maybe he should forget about restoring his reputation and start worrying about salvaging his job by not adding to the stupidity of what he has done.
Bergevin was an idiot for the way he handled Subban and maybe he should forget about restoring his reputation and start worrying about salvaging his job by not adding to the stupidity of what he has done.
Don't worry. Bergevin will give him 3.25 per year for two years on Wed.
If I was Subban's clan I would entertain talking to other teams for an offer sheet. Not because Montreal won't match because they will, it's just that only 2.5 is pretty low and after he would sign the offer sheet he would at least get a decent raise of 4 or 5/per.
