And at 18 he was even, proof that +/- doesn't mean that much, especially in a small sample size.
All I'm saying is that saying Hamilton will never be as good as Pie is ridiculous. Hamilton has made the NHL a year younger then Pie with a stronger Defense to crack and already has 3 points in 4 games playing top 4 minutes. He's also been good defensively and has shown he's not afraid of making and taking hits, imagine how he'll be when he adds some weight and gets stronger.
All I'm saying is that saying Hamilton will never be as good as Pie is ridiculous. Hamilton has made the NHL a year younger then Pie was and already has 3 points in 4 games. He's also been good defensively and has shown he's not afraid of making and taking hits, imagine how he'll be when he adds some weight and gets stronger.
It's just simply to early to make a judgement either way and pretty much making any discussion pointless. Remember when Tyler Myers scored 4 points in his first 5 games and was a +6?
All I'm saying is that saying Hamilton will never be as good as Pie is ridiculous.
It is, really. Crystal ball type of stuff. Having said that, if I have a stack of money that I must put down either way... I'm not sold on Hamilton yet at all, and this is Pietrangelo we're talking about.
Comparing +/- of pie and hamilton at ~19 is hilarious. Hamilton is clearly off to a great start, but look at the team he plays with in comparison to what pie played with. That being said, both should have great careers.
"Dougie's the best junior defenseman I've ever coached," Niagara coach Marty Williamson told the National Post recently. "I think you could be looking at a Norris Trophy-type guy, a guy that has a [15- to 20-year] career ahead of him. He's going to be a wonderful pro."
you have to understand something my friend. Read my 1st post. I've mentioned Petro is a fine D. I would be ecstatic if hamilton accomplishes as much as he has in 3-4 years now in the nhl.
But another one of your blues fan, stated that , he is so good, you don't trade him for crosby or malkin. And thats why i was making my points.
on his way to be one of the better d's in the league
is nothing close to saying he is a fine defenseman. "On his way" is clearly implying that he isn't there yet. And "one of the better d's"?? If we define "better d's" as a top pairing defensemen, that puts him outside, possibly just inside, the top 60 defensemen in the league. (30 teams x 2 players on the top pairing. Not perfect, but good enough for hfboards work.) So you originally claimed that he wasn't a top 60, or maybe just inside the top 60.
But better doesn't usually imply top 1/3. It usually implys top 1/2 to most people. I'd say Barret Jackman is one of the better d's in the league. Not great, but good. Top 50%.
But Pietrangelo? He's one of the best d's.
You then go on in a later post, claiming that
Pietrangelo is a good overall D
not an elite d on either the defensive or offensive end.
I, and many others in this thread, are telling you that is simply not true. 50+ points from the blueline on your team's shutdown pairing is great. It is elite.
Based on Norris voting, and assuming only 180 defensemen in the league, Pietrangelo was judge to be in the top 2% of defensemen last season. If that isn't elite, what is?
Nobody cares that you mention Hamilton in the same sentence as Pietrangelo. We are just telling you it makes you look foolish at this point. It isn't his point totals that make Pietrangelo so great. It is his defensive play.
And please don't pawn off ownership of an entire fanbase on one person. He isn't MY Blues fan at all. In fact, he isn't even a Blues fan, he has a Flyers avatar, lives in Virgina, and I've never seen him post on the Blues board. If you have a problem with his comments, take it up with him.
But you don't. You've taken issue with every Blues fan here that has posted that Pietrangelo is better than "good". You claim you are making your points because a "Blues fan said he wouldn't trade him for Crosby or Malkin." Yet you never actually responded to the FLYERS fan who said they wouldn't trade Pietrangelo for Malkin or Stamkos.
When I showed you that Pietrangelo had an elite level offensive performance last season, you resorted to a small sample size (3 games) while he was injured (knee injury significantly impacting his mobility) against the eventual Stanley Cup champions.
I honestly don't care if you want to compare and contrast Pietrangelo and Hamilton's style. But if you think Pietrangelo is merely one his way to being one of the better d's in the league, then you are underrating Pietrangelo more than that Flyers fan is overrating him.
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Williamson was hired for the 2010-11 season, correct?
The Blues purposely kept Pietrangelo stretched out Pietrangelo's nine game trial until December when he left for the WJC.
His rights were then traded from Niagara to Barie during the WJC. After the WJC, when the Blues returned Pietrangelo to juniors, he went to the Barie Colts. As far as I can tell, Marty Williamson never actually coached Alex Pietrangelo.
I'll admit, I'm unsure about major juniors off-season training, and pre-season training schedules, so maybe Williamson coached him in some practices?