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01-26-2013, 04:43 PM
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THN: George Gillett involved with Markham bid?

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...yoy7GU.twitter

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Markham could do a lot worse business wise Gillett turned the habs from a break even operation to a money printer. Hockey wise he let Gainey run the show whatever it was a good idea or not is left for debate.

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Markham could do a lot worse business wise Gillett turned the habs from a break even operation to a money printer. Hockey wise he let Gainey run the show whatever it was a good idea or not is left for debate.
I'm having problems understanding your point.

While Gillett made a few (too many) business decisions, but he did increase Habs value by a lot in a very short time...thus how could Markham do a lot worse going with Gillett ?

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I'm having problems understanding your point.

While Gillett made a few (too many) business decisions, but he did increase Habs value by a lot in a very short time...thus how could Markham do a lot worse going with Gillett ?
Should have said they could do worse than Gillett.

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Should have said they could do worse than Gillett.
I had no trouble understanding your post. No need for an apology.

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The HNIC Hotstove touched on the arena on the first segment.

Apparently Glenn Healy is taking part in the meeting on Tuesday. He really advocates building the arena even with no guarantee of an NHL team citing the OKC example. Yet no mention of the other example of the other extreme -KC (or Hamilton for that matter).

Still not a big fan of the build it and they will come mentality. Let's see how Tuesday unfolds.


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01-26-2013, 08:53 PM
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This so called NHL. size arena in Markham is not going to happen because most of Markham city council is against building this arena because Markham would have to pay for a most of the costs of building the arena & Markham just dose not have that kind of money right now not to mention there is no chance that MLSE. will let another NHL. team take root in the GTA. & as for George Gillett involved in this so called bid & you might as well have nelson skalbania involved in the bid to considerring both men have little or no credibility same as this 2nd NHL. team in Toronto .

If & when an 2nd NHL. team comes to southern ontario it will be in Hamilton & no where else why you ask simple Hamilton is in an economic boom right now with about 1.5 billion dollars in building permits being issued in 2012 & shows no signs of slowing down with a new stadium being bulit & a posible Hard Rock Cafe casino & resort being bulit in downtown Hamilton & then you add all the condos & hotels being bulit Hamilton is on a roll right now .

One last thing sometime next month HECFI. will be no more & Copps Coliseum will runned by Global Spectrum \ Live Nation & who have said there main goal to bring an NHL. team to Hamilton & lets not forget that Global Spectrum owns the Flyers & is in Gary Bettmans inner circle .

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The HNIC Hotstove touched on the arena on the first segment.

Apparently Glenn Healy is taking part in the meeting on Tuesday. He really advocates building the arena even with no guarantee of an NHL team citing the OKC example. Yet no mention of the other example of the other extreme -KC (or Hamilton for that matter).

Still not a big fan of the build it and they will come mentality. Let's see how Tuesday unfolds.
Glen Healy is an idiot though. He used the extreme example where the New Orleans Hornets were forced to play home games away from their city because of a natural disaster and applied it to the Markham arena getting an NHL team? What about all the other examples where this didn't work or took many years? Plus, Quebec City is trying to do the same thing right now and they could very well get a franchise before Markham, as could Seattle.

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Interesting on several points; first, youve got this Colin Campbell guy (no relation to the leagues CC) speculating that "the NHL wants to be here" and then goes on to use a coffee shop analogy, whereby in the real world "you dont build a coffee shop then after its opened go to Tim Hortons & ask for a license or franchise" which of course is quite correct. That "businesses dont operate like that and we should tell Gary Bettman".... Ya, you just go right ahead and DEMAND that Gary promises you a franchise, that the NHL should behave like they live in the real world etc. Oughtta put you & your city in real solid with the powers that be at the National Hockey League Pal.

Next up, you got George Gillette supposedly fronting a competitive group interested in Markham huh? Well, if you just read between the lines of the last couple of paragraphs in the article, seems to me Old Georgie Boy there just might be looking to get even with Roustan for messing around with him when he came looking for a loan while he owned the Habs. Required $85M for 12-15 months, was willing to put up a piece the Canadiens as collateral, Roustan, acting like Tony Soprano wants 12-15% interest on it, George agree's, but the former turns him down for unknown reasons & likely none of them good? Who in their right mind, if youve got that kind of money, turns down a quick $10M++ profit or picks up a piece of the storied Montreal Canadiens through default?

.... and its Roustans partner who's "donated" the land upon which this arena's to be built of course. How is that going to work? Where's Gillette going to build? This entire situation really is quite amusing. Theres no way the NHL promises Markham a thing, and it looks to me like Gillette is just sticking his nose in to get some of his back on Roustan, messin him up but good. Figures Healey would be involved, taking time off from his Laff Lines Comedy Tour.

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The HNIC Hotstove touched on the arena on the first segment.

Apparently Glenn Healy is taking part in the meeting on Tuesday. He really advocates building the arena even with no guarantee of an NHL team citing the OKC example. Yet no mention of the other example of the other extreme -KC (or Hamilton for that matter).

Still not a big fan of the build it and they will come mentality. Let's see how Tuesday unfolds.
OKC KC and Hamilton are all really bad examples because none of those arenas compete with a second venue.

Markham should look at Glendale Az if they want to study arenas. Phoenix has a large population that is fairly comparable to Toronto and they have two arenas. The arena that the Phoenix Suns play in came first and is located downtown. It's the successful venue in town. The newer arena that they built in Glendale draws flies for hockey and has trouble attracting touring acts. That's what Markham should think about.

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The HNIC Hotstove touched on the arena on the first segment.

Apparently Glenn Healy is taking part in the meeting on Tuesday. He really advocates building the arena even with no guarantee of an NHL team citing the OKC example. Yet no mention of the other example of the other extreme -KC (or Hamilton for that matter).

Still not a big fan of the build it and they will come mentality. Let's see how Tuesday unfolds.
The main difference is KC is not really an NHL city anyway, not sure they truly want the NBA, but have got a ton of relevant college basketball games and concerts. That arena is doing fine from everything I've read.

Anyone know of any multiple arena cities in Europe?

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This so called NHL. size arena in Markham is not going to happen because most of Markham city council is against building this arena because Markham would have to pay for a most of the costs of building the arena & Markham just dose not have that kind of money right now not to mention there is no chance that MLSE. will let another NHL. team take root in the GTA. & as for George Gillett involved in this so called bid & you might as well have nelson skalbania involved in the bid to considerring both men have little or no credibility same as this 2nd NHL. team in Toronto .

If & when an 2nd NHL. team comes to southern ontario it will be in Hamilton & no where else why you ask simple Hamilton is in an economic boom right now with about 1.5 billion dollars in building permits being issued in 2012 & shows no signs of slowing down with a new stadium being bulit & a posible Hard Rock Cafe casino & resort being bulit in downtown Hamilton & then you add all the condos & hotels being bulit Hamilton is on a roll right now .

One last thing sometime next month HECFI. will be no more & Copps Coliseum will runned by Global Spectrum \ Live Nation & who have said there main goal to bring an NHL. team to Hamilton & lets not forget that Global Spectrum owns the Flyers & is in Gary Bettmans inner circle .
Sorry for the interruption but the new stadium being built in Hamilton is hardly a shining light for the city of Hamilton, to he honest it's an embarrassment and will be the worst stadium in the CFL once it's built.

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OKC KC and Hamilton are all really bad examples because none of those arenas compete with a second venue.

Markham should look at Glendale Az if they want to study arenas. Phoenix has a large population that is fairly comparable to Toronto and they have two arenas. The arena that the Phoenix Suns play in came first and is located downtown. It's the successful venue in town. The newer arena that they built in Glendale draws flies for hockey and has trouble attracting touring acts. That's what Markham should think about.
Isn't this comparing apples to oranges, though? We can't compare the number of hockey fans in the province of Ontario to the number of hockey fans in the state of Arizona.

Clearly, the end game for Markham is the NHL. If they're not confident that the NHL would come to Markham, I don't think they would want to build it. That's my take, anyway.

Oh sure, if they don't get NHL hockey it could be a huge problem. But why wouldn't the NHL come? Why would the NHL turn down a market like Southern Ontario WITH an NHL-sized arena? That wouldn't make any sense at all, imo.

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The Phoenix situation is different. While the distance from downtown is similar (roughly 35 km each) there are a lot of stark differences.

First of all, Toronto's hockey craziness is ten times or more that of Phoenix.

Second, Toronto is much bigger. Phoenix has a 4.2 million person metro. Toronto has a 6.2 million person metro. That number jumps to 7 million if you include Hamilton and 9 million if you include the Golden Horseshoe. Apples and Oranges number wise.


Markham is linked by train with Toronto and the rest of the city. Its possible to hop on a train in Hamilton and make it to Markham. Public transit is huge for teams.

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Sorry for the interruption but the new stadium being built in Hamilton is hardly a shining light for the city of Hamilton, to he honest it's an embarrassment and will be the worst stadium in the CFL once it's built.
The new stadium in Hamilton dose not look that bad all it needs is a facade to cover up the steel & concrete along with inclosing the both endzones with proper gates also that entire area where the stadium is going to be bulit is going to be completely redeveloped but if you me ask I think the new stadium should have been bulit at confederation park where there is plenty of parking & easy highway access but do you expect for $152 million dollars .

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The Phoenix situation is different. While the distance from downtown is similar (roughly 35 km each) there are a lot of stark differences.

First of all, Toronto's hockey craziness is ten times or more that of Phoenix.

Second, Toronto is much bigger. Phoenix has a 4.2 million person metro. Toronto has a 6.2 million person metro. That number jumps to 7 million if you include Hamilton and 9 million if you include the Golden Horseshoe. Apples and Oranges number wise.


Markham is linked by train with Toronto and the rest of the city. Its possible to hop on a train in Hamilton and make it to Markham. Public transit is huge for teams.
I don't think you would get people from Hamilton going to an NHL. games in Markham because the people there would not travel that distance for a hockey game to watch a team that should of been theres .

Besides if there going to be an 2nd NHL. team in southern ontario its going to be in Hamilton & nowhere else because Hamilton has access to more people when you include all the out linning areas around Hamilton such as Niagara Region , GTA. , Kitchener \ Waterloo Area & Southwestern Ontario not to mention that it well be cheaper & the path of least resitance to put an NHL. team in Hamilton rather than Toronto .

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..., seems to me Old Georgie Boy there just might be looking to get even with Roustan for messing around with him when he came looking for a loan while he owned the Habs.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...na-in-markham/
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Former Montreal Canadiens owner George Gillett does not aspire to take control of plans to build an NHL-ready arena in the Toronto suburb of Markham, nor does he want to buy an NHL team for that proposed facility, according to a Markham city councillor who said he was at a meeting with the U.S.-based businessman on Sunday morning.

Colin Campbell, a councillor who has forwarded a motion to put arena talk “on the back-burner,” said the meeting with Gillett was purely for informational purposes.

“He has no inclination toward anything here,” Campbell said Sunday. “He offered to be a resource for us, to make sure that we’re making the right decision, and that was kind of him. That’s all that was about.”

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I can see a second arena in the GTA being used as a sort of noose hanging over MLSE's head. Don't get too cocky or we'll put another team in your backyard, so shell out more revenue sharing. I'd have to agree with the city, guarantee a team or there is no construction.

Edit to add: What the heck was up with that interest rate, 12-15% for an 85 million dollar loan. Holy crap interest rates were at all time lows. There must be have been a huge risk there somewhere.

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well, with BB10 coming out maybe Balsillie will get back in the game


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Interesting. So George offered to be a resource for the City of Markham, an adviser.... wonder what his first piece of advice might be? Dont do business with Graeme Loan Shark Roustan?

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Oh sure, if they don't get NHL hockey it could be a huge problem. But why wouldn't the NHL come? Why would the NHL turn down a market like Southern Ontario WITH an NHL-sized arena? That wouldn't make any sense at all, imo.
Ahem, cough, cough, Copps Coliseum.

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Markham is linked by train with Toronto and the rest of the city. Its possible to hop on a train in Hamilton and make it to Markham. Public transit is huge for teams.
Yes there is bus and train service to Unionville Station in Markham (not to be confused with Union Station in downtown Toronto). However, it's crowded as it is in the early evenings. I do not see it being able to handle an additional 10K to 12K commuters occasional weekday nights, without MAJOR upgrades.

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