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01-26-2013, 09:18 PM
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01-26-2013, 09:18 PM
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Defense was great until late in the game. Couldn't contain that New York line any longer.
A game lasts 60+ minutes just like a season (usually) lasts 82 games.

Being ahead at the 47-minute mark isn't good enough.

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They need a center with size.

Colborne I don't think is it, and if someone can point out a potential 1st. line center in the system please do.

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01-26-2013, 09:19 PM
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Rangers were just too good for us tonight. It's a result to be expected when facing a contender who were on their game.

Kessel is trying, but he can't do it all by himself when facing two very good defenders. If Carlyle's not going to give the line any size to help them with board battles, and net presence at least give them some skill, so the opponents have to worry about shutting someone else down. Komarov was as ineffective on the line as MacArthur was. Move Kadri up.
  • Grabo line was very ineffective defensively.
  • Frattin was completely invisible.
  • Something needs to be done about Kostka. Tonight was a good indication how bad we'll need a decent #2D if we're to become contenders.
  • Reimer had a decent game overall, despite his stats.
The icetime for our defenders was ridiculously skewed.
Phaneuf: 32:38
Kostka: 31:33
Gunnarsson: 21:34
Komisarek: 14:04
Liles: 13:06
Fraser: 6:39

We cannot have Phaneuf (or the first pairing) playing 30+ mins a night.

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01-26-2013, 09:19 PM
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So what is your solution?
Not sure, but pretending we don't need a real #1 defender is not part of the solution. The way things are currently, I would just spread out the minutes more. Give some of the other guys more minutes. I would also try to make a trade. P.K. Subban would be nice. There's a guy who could at least be a #1 at some point.

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01-26-2013, 09:19 PM
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They play too conservative with the lead.
Wrong. They just don't have a clue how to play conservatively. Well coached teams can win with a two goal lead 9 out of 10 times.


The beauty of the strategy is that you do not need to create your own scoring chances. The other team will start to cheat, and playing solid defense will often net you an extra goal or two just because of the risks the other team is taking to score.

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01-26-2013, 09:19 PM
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5 games first overall.

Kostka has been very good in the even strength, few mistakes at bad times.
Dion is our captain...you want to bench our captain and regadless of how you or others may dislike, is our most talented defensemen.

Kessel is our most prolific goal scorer who is on a slump and you want him to sit too in this short season.

Gards is recovering from a concussion and you want him to rush back to the NHL when we can use our flexibility to let him get back his game?
If you actually think these problems have only been around for 5 games then I don't know what team you've been watching for the past few years, but it hasn't been the Leafs.

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01-26-2013, 09:19 PM
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Wozniewski to Maurice is Kostka to Carlyle?
ewewwwwwww......your right .....the very thought of this is disgusting

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01-26-2013, 09:20 PM
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obviously its the same ****** team as last year minus schenn.
They're also minus the goalie that played half their games last year.

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They need a center with size.

Colborne I don't think is it, and if someone can point out a potential 1st. line center in the system please do.
Have my doubts with colborne myself. Noone else. Draft is in June.

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Mike Kostka - demote. He is an AHL level dman

Dion Phaneuf - bench for a game. -8 is unacceptable

Jake Gardiner - recall.

Phil Kessel - bench for a game. His effort level is absolutely unacceptable
Kostka is maybe not ready for the assignments he's been given, and while he certainly excels at AHL he has shown he can play NHL. Reality is the guy has only played 5 NHL games ever. Give him some time. He needs to learn, and needs to be given a chance to succeed

Phaneuf - look at the competition he plays against. at least give him SOME credit. its not black and white, and reality is he is not a bad defenseman

Gardiner JUST got sent down after playing two games in which he showed he was obviously not ready for an NHL return. The kid had a concussion. He looked lost and confused. Give him some time to get back to form and adjust. You don't want to rush concussions. Ask Reimer.

Kessel - you know what, this game, first period especially, was not good for him. he needed a fire lit under him, but he's been playing decent hockey in the other games. he's just been snake bitten. but that being said, i won't argue you, mostly because you didnt say "Trade him" like all the over-reactors here. so bonus points for you. i will agree to benching just because you kept a much leveler head. haha

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"...the Maple Leafs are proud to select from the Ottawa 67's, forward....."

I would be extremely happy if this happened, even happier if a guy from Portland was a leaf next year. Some guy named after a drink.

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Im done try to fend off the hyenas. Phaneuf is our #1 d-man and Kessel is our #1 forward and there is nothing any of you can do about it. We lost tonight because the Rangers are a better team, not because of any individual player. Good night.

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They need a center with size.

Colborne I don't think is it, and if someone can point out a potential 1st. line center in the system please do.
I wonder what the Kings want for Kopitar?

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01-26-2013, 09:21 PM
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Rangers were just too good for us tonight. It's a result to be expected when facing a contender who were on their game.

Kessel is trying, but he can't do it all by himself when facing two very good defenders. If Carlyle's not going to give the line any size to help them with board battles, and net presence at least give them some skill, so the opponents have to worry about shutting someone else down. Komarov was as ineffective on the line as MacArthur was. Move Kadri up.
  • Grabo line was very ineffective defensively.
  • Frattin was completely invisible.
  • Something needs to be done about Kostka. Tonight was a good indication how bad we'll need a decent #2D if we're to become contenders.
  • Reimer had a decent game overall, despite his stats.
The icetime for our defenders was ridiculously skewed.
Phaneuf: 32:38
Kostka: 31:33
Gunnarsson: 21:34
Komisarek: 14:04
Liles: 13:06
Fraser: 6:39

We cannot have Phaneuf (or the first pairing) playing 30+ mins a night.
In the same post you talk about how bad the Grabo line was defensively and talk about how hard Kessel is trying?


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They're also minus the goalie that played half their games last year.
Yeah forgot about the pylon.

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I can't believe how some of you people think Kostka has been our problem. You clearly haven't played or just don't know what the f youre talking about. He's been one of our better D.

Kessel/Phaneuf have been horrible.

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"...the Maple Leafs are proud to select from the Ottawa 67's, forward....."

I'd rather Elias Lindholm who plays with 10x the intensity and has triple the talent

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01-26-2013, 09:22 PM
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rangers are now 2-3...so they should purge as well?
atleast they were a powerhouse last yea ..... we havent sniffed the playoffs since when .... 2004?


"leaf fans are too impatient to rebuild", well it would sure beat what we've been given the past 8 seasons with not much NHL improvement to show for it

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Not sure, but pretending we don't need a real #1 defender is not part of the solution. The way things are currently, I would just spread out the minutes more. Give some of the other guys more minutes. I would also try to make a trade. P.K. Subban would be nice. There's a guy who could at least be a #1 at some point.
Habs would never trade PK here. He'd go out West, like they did with Halak.

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I guess us Phagoof "haters" are blind and no nothing. -8 and hit so many pieces of glass we almost had seven more years of bad luck.

Kostka played fine and so did Fraser and even dare i say Komisarek. Are Captain was where?
Evgeni Malkin has a -3 despite being on a much better team. Gauging one's performance by solely looking at the stat sheet is not wise.

Phaneuf's demonstrated against Pittsburgh that he could contain the best defensively. He brought in a similar game today, but it is clear that the Leafs were simply overwhelmed by the cup-contending Rangers.

The defensive core was actually decent including Kostkaa. I feel that the downfall had a lot more to do with the forwards outside of Grabs line. Lupul's absence is quite obvious and it's unfortunate that one like Joe Colborne or Tyler Biggs aren't ready yet. Some more size on the top-9 would really help.

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Not sure, but pretending we don't need a real #1 defender is not part of the solution. The way things are currently, I would just spread out the minutes more. Give some of the other guys more minutes. I would also try to make a trade. P.K. Subban would be nice. There's a guy who could at least be a #1 at some point.
So Subban is a #1 but Phaneuf isn't? I'm done with this. The grass is always greener for some people.

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Yeah forgot about the pylon.
And at this point he's been replaced by a smaller pylon...

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I'd rather Elias Lindholm who plays with 10x the intensity and has triple the talent
Barkov, MacKinnon, or Jones.

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01-26-2013, 09:23 PM
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Did you watch the 3rd period? You are not fooling anyone, they were on twice for GA in the 3rd.

How many were they on against the Isles?
Yes, and one of those goals was a tip from a point shot where the only two players within 8 feet of the puck were Gunnarsson and Gaborik.


Try again.

edit: it's interesting that you make a post like this, but don't want to hear any talk of Phaneuf's -4 tonight.

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