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Garrioch Writes that Avs are Quietly Shopping O'Reilly

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01-28-2013, 01:42 AM
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Might be a gamble but he could be what the Canucks could use. And since the Avs would need another offensive forward and a defence prospect maybe something like:

to Colorodo: Ebbett, Connaughton, 4th round pick

TO VANCOUVER: O'Reilly, 2nd round pick
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01-28-2013, 01:43 AM
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Might be a gamble but he could be what the Canucks could use. And since the Avs would need another offensive forward and a defence prospect maybe something like:

to Colorodo: Ebbett, Connaughton, 4th round pick

TO VANCOUVER: O'Reilly, 2nd round pick
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Well by reading this thread you'd think O'rielly's the next coming of Datsyuk.
I think he is minus the dangles.

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01-28-2013, 01:45 AM
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Might be a gamble but he could be what the Canucks could use. And since the Avs would need another offensive forward and a defence prospect maybe something like:

to Colorodo: Ebbett, Connaughton, 4th round pick

TO VANCOUVER: O'Reilly, 2nd round pick
This is (to be polite) a terrible offer.

Isles don't have a 2nd (thanks Viz) but something around Brock Nelson+ interest you?

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So that's who we're going to compare Reilly to?
Actually the comparisons have been Datsyuk, Bergeron, and Kessler ...

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So that's who we're going to compare Reilly to?
They're all far more talented than he is - save for maybe Peca, who's not a bad comparison skill wise - but it's hard to produce other examples because players don't hold out very frequently.

The point remains though. All of those players, and most notably the three that sat out full seasons, saw return relative to their value when they were finally dealt away.

So to answer your original question: the world we live in.

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01-28-2013, 01:50 AM
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I think he is minus the dangles.
So Do you think O'rielly will become a top 3 player in the league at his peak? Because Datsyuk was.

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01-28-2013, 01:54 AM
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So Do you think O'rielly will become a top 3 player in the league at his peak? Because Datsyuk was.
Of course not because no one will be able to get him signed, he's like a wild stallion that needs to roam free.

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01-28-2013, 02:09 AM
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Well by reading this thread you'd think O'rielly's the next coming of Datsyuk.
I don't see how you possibly can come to this conclusion. Avs fans have only been stating the facts. O'Reilly is a 21 year old 55 point center, who is great defensively, and lead the league in takeaways. He IS worth a lot.

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01-28-2013, 02:12 AM
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I don't see how you possibly can come to this conclusion. Avs fans have only been stating the facts. O'Reilly is a 21 year old 55 point center, who is great defensively, and lead the league in takeaways. He IS worth a lot.
What's a lot?

He is a great young player. But I've seen Datsyuks name tossed around in this thread which I personally find quite ridiculous.

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01-28-2013, 02:27 AM
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What's a lot?

He is a great young player. But I've seen Datsyuks name tossed around in this thread which I personally find quite ridiculous.
Projecting and comparing players and their absolute peaks isn't fair.

And realistically speaking no, ROR isn't going to be Datsyuk.

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01-28-2013, 02:27 AM
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This is (to be polite) a terrible offer.

Isles don't have a 2nd (thanks Viz) but something around Brock Nelson+ interest you?
Would want Nino or Okposo if we were to trade O'Reilly to the island

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01-28-2013, 02:31 AM
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Projecting and comparing players and their absolute peaks isn't fair.

And realistically speaking no, ROR isn't going to be Datsyuk.
Fair enough. I just don't think O'rielly plays like Datsyuk that's all. Only thing they have in common is elite defense imo which doesn't really reflect style IMO.

On topic though, I don't think the avs are going to be trading ror. The have the leverage here imo. If a spectacular deal comes up then they'll take it, but nothing less then an overpayment.

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Fair enough. I just don't think O'rielly plays like Datsyuk that's all. Only thing they have in common is elite defense imo which doesn't really reflect style IMO.

On topic though, I don't think the avs are going to be trading ror. The have the leverage here imo. If a spectacular deal comes up then they'll take it, but nothing less then an overpayment.
Agreed on both parts.

And if I was to pick a player who he plays like it would Bergeron not Datsyuk.

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01-28-2013, 03:05 AM
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So Do you think O'rielly will become a top 3 player in the league at his peak? Because Datsyuk was.
Datsyuk was never one of the top 3 players in the league.

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01-28-2013, 03:55 AM
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Datsyuk was never one of the top 3 players in the league.
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01-28-2013, 04:01 AM
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01-28-2013, 04:13 AM
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Has anyone with credibility picked this story up or is it still Garrioch?

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01-28-2013, 04:13 AM
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I haven't been following the drama, but what are the chances he's doing this because he doesn't want to play for the Avalanche for whatever reason, and he'd sign for less than he's reportedly demanding once traded to another team?

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01-28-2013, 04:17 AM
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I haven't been following the drama, but what are the chances he's doing this because he doesn't want to play for the Avalanche for whatever reason, and he'd sign for less than he's reportedly demanding once traded to another team?
It's possible, but there isn't any evidence to suggest it's the case.

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01-28-2013, 04:24 AM
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Bidding war. It won't be just 1-2 teams asking about him. How many teams do you think could use a 21 year old 55 point 2nd line center who is great defensively?
you're forgetting the part about him being paid his full value and thus not generating surplus value.

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It's possible, but there isn't any evidence to suggest it's the case.
Agreed, I think his initial demands would be similar regardless of his location.

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Has anyone with credibility picked this story up or is it still Garrioch?
Still just Garrioch...which means I'm not buying into it.

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Of course they are quietly shopping him to test the water what he is worth on the market. They would be foolish not to do that, does not mean they plan to trade him as their plan A since obviously their plan A seem to be to sign him or else he would already be gone. If they can find a GM who value RoR as much as RoR value him self then the return should be pretty good for the Avs. But if most GMs see him as the solid 2nd line center he is then the return will not be breath taking, still good.

I think RoR (and his agent) know how good he is but also see that in Colorado he might get stuck on the 3rd line with mostly defensive tasks, similar to the situation that Staal was in, and that will greatly affect his salary. A defensive (selke worthy) center can get a good salary but if he is played in a more offensive role and get the points to he can make a lot more money. That is why I think he is holding out for a good contract now.

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Agreed, I think his initial demands would be similar regardless of his location.
Iunno, man. I'm not saying he doesn't want to play for the Avalanche, but 5 million for one 55 point season is ridiculous. Look at the contracts two-way 50 point forwards around the league have, and then look at the forwards who make 5 million a year.

There is no way he deserves more per year than Weiss, Backes, Jordan Staal, Pavelski, and Couture and as much as Bergeron, Ryan, Hossa, Perry, Plekanec, etc.

Only elite players avoid prove-it contracts. And O'Reilly and his agent know that. So he's either getting bad advice from his agent about having the Avalanche over a barrel, or something else is going on. Because if you compare the list of significant holdouts that have rejoined their teams and all was fine vs. the list that have gotten traded (eventually), things don't look good for his future with the team. And, again, he and his agent have to know that.

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