HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Garrioch Writes that Avs are Quietly Shopping O'Reilly

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-28-2013, 03:07 PM
  #451
CarvinSigX
Registered User
 
CarvinSigX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Illinois
Country: United States
Posts: 7,989
vCash: 2616
Schwartz, Edmundson, and a 3rd? Close?

CarvinSigX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:10 PM
  #452
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,366
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisp Breakout View Post
I think I speak for all Avs fans when I say that I have literally no idea whatsoever.
If someone came in with a 7 yr / 38.5 / 5.5 per... would it be fair to say, that Colorado isn't a sure bet to match it ?

I think compensation for a 5.0 - 6.7 cap hit is only a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

Jame is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:13 PM
  #453
Crisp Breakout
Registered User
 
Crisp Breakout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 4,797
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jame View Post
If someone came in with a 7 yr / 38.5 / 5.5 per... would it be fair to say, that Colorado isn't a sure bet to match it ?

I think compensation for a 5.0 - 6.7 cap hit is only a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
Absolutely, at that price it's anything but a sure bet. That's a huge risk to be taking.

Crisp Breakout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:15 PM
  #454
EdAVSfan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,006
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jame View Post
If someone came in with a 7 yr / 38.5 / 5.5 per... would it be fair to say, that Colorado isn't a sure bet to match it ?

I think compensation for a 5.0 - 6.7 cap hit is only a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
Wouldnt the compensation be determined by 38.5/5 = 7.7 mil compensation??

Isnt that 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd?

EdAVSfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:16 PM
  #455
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,366
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisp Breakout View Post
Absolutely, at that price it's anything but a sure bet. That's a huge risk to be taking.
As a Buffalo fan, I'd make that offersheet.

O'reilly fits our needs to a tee. And would fit right in age wise in our rebuild.

Jame is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:17 PM
  #456
DJOpus
Registered User
 
DJOpus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,753
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddieAVS View Post
Wouldnt the compensation be determined by 38.5/5 = 7.7 mil compensation??

Isnt that 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd?
I believe you are right...as a Canucks fan, I'd offer that cash on a five year term.

DJOpus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:19 PM
  #457
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,366
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddieAVS View Post
Wouldnt the compensation be determined by 38.5/5 = 7.7 mil compensation??

Isnt that 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd?
I did not realize that the offersheet was divided by 5 if the term was longer than 5 years.

Thanks for the insight

I would STILL make that offersheet from a Buffalo POV

Jame is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:19 PM
  #458
LickTheEnvelope
6th Overall Blows
 
LickTheEnvelope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 27,927
vCash: 500
Gaunce and a first? The Avs have the other Gaunce brother...

LickTheEnvelope is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:25 PM
  #459
Crisp Breakout
Registered User
 
Crisp Breakout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 4,797
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jame View Post
I did not realize that the offersheet was divided by 5 if the term was longer than 5 years.

Thanks for the insight

I would STILL make that offersheet from a Buffalo POV
If you're prepared to offer up those picks, I think a trade might be a better, less expensive option.

Crisp Breakout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:30 PM
  #460
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,366
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisp Breakout View Post
If you're prepared to offer up those picks, I think a trade might be a better, less expensive option.
I think we have a lot of the right pieces in place, and very little depth from which to organize a package that would be acceptable. (Not available in trade for O'reilly.... Hodgson, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Armia, Foligno, Myers, Pysyk, McNabb)

If there is a package you would be interested in that does not involve those assets, I'm listening.

We also have some assets that I believe we will be able to sell over the next 2 deadlines to replace some of those picks (Regehr, Leopold... possibly Vanek, Pominville, Miller if necessary)

I don't want to trade any of our young talent... we are in rebuild (at least I wish we were)

Basically, I'd rather give up the picks, than our young talent that all fits in a window that hopefully starts to open in a few years.

Jame is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:35 PM
  #461
Chandrashekhar Limit
ORANJE 4 LYFE
 
Chandrashekhar Limit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Waterloo, ON
Country: Bangladesh
Posts: 15,939
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avs44 View Post
Can someone explain to me why some Leaf fans are now trying to trade Kessel...?
Because he and the Leafs have struggled so far, and some people think the best way to deal with that is to blow it up. Also because a dumbass wrote an article about how Kessel is not the right fit for the Leafs.

It's pretty common for the Leaf board

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anth93 View Post
In a nutshell,

The leafs suck. It's apparent that the Kessel/Phaneuf era needs to end and the only player we have that can help us "reset" would be Kessel. Also given that we've already locked up a bunch of mediocre talent in Grabo/Lupul/Phaneuf/Komi/JVR, adding Kessel to this mix would only prolong this "era" of terrible Leaf hockey.

It makes sense if you watch the Leafs play, they're really bad.
It makes sense if you have the memory span of a Goldfish.

EDIT: By "they are", I assume you mean Kessel and Phaneuf.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisp Breakout View Post
I think I speak for all Avs fans when I say that I have literally no idea whatsoever.
I personally think 6.8 and more would be it. Using that cap space on someone else + 2 1sts + 2nd + 3rd would be better for the future of the team given the center depth you guys already have.

Chandrashekhar Limit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 03:54 PM
  #462
Anth93
Registered User
 
Anth93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,681
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chandrashekhar Limit View Post
Because he and the Leafs have struggled so far, and some people think the best way to deal with that is to blow it up. Also because a dumbass wrote an article about how Kessel is not the right fit for the Leafs.

It's pretty common for the Leaf board

It makes sense if you have the memory span of a Goldfish.

EDIT: By "they are", I assume you mean Kessel and Phaneuf
I'm surprised there are Leaf fans like you who are so optimistic.

And no Phaneuf and Kessel are among our better players, but this isn't about performance in 2013. It's about being successful in the coming years.

Anth93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 04:08 PM
  #463
JoemAvs
Registered User
 
JoemAvs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,827
vCash: 250
With Downie out for the Season
And Landeskog possibly sidelined
with a Concussion , the Avs won't
Make the Playoffs .
We are missing 3 of our Best 6
Forwards.
With a rusty RoR in the lineup,
We just worsen our Pick.
Avs can just play hardball and wait him
Out Till Next offseason
That is way better than accepting One
Of the Mostly crappy Offers in Here

JoemAvs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 04:17 PM
  #464
cgf
Registered User
 
cgf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 10,798
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoemAvs View Post
With Downie out for the Season
And Landeskog possibly sidelined
with a Concussion , the Avs won't
Make the Playoffs .
We are missing 3 of our Best 6
Forwards.
With a rusty RoR in the lineup,
We just worsen our Pick.
Avs can just play hardball and wait him
Out Till Next offseason
That is way better than accepting One
Of the Mostly crappy Offers in Here
You forgot McGinn likes the ping of the post more than the goal horn.
Jones is drunk again.
Hejduk actually died and the avs are just using a complex series of wires and his corpse to make it look like he's playing for them for cap purposes
After years studying the Paranormal Staz has finally crossed over and become a ghost, he now hangs around the Blues locker room waiting to ditch practice with Stewie.
And Johnny Malkin's face is eventually going to break for good if he keeps having to sacrifice so much to the hockey gods to score goals.

The Avs are tanking like champs this year. Varly, EJ and Duchene might **** it up, but that's just cause Varly hasn't got hurt, EJ hasn't forgotten how to play hockey yet and Duchene hasn't given himself a concussion yet from spinning too hard.

cgf is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 04:51 PM
  #465
Blitz
GONNA TAKE ReinHART
 
Blitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,127
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoemAvs View Post
With Downie out for the Season
And Landeskog possibly sidelined
with a Concussion , the Avs won't
Make the Playoffs .
We are missing 3 of our Best 6
Forwards.
With a rusty RoR in the lineup,
We just worsen our Pick.
Avs can just play hardball and wait him
Out Till Next offseason

That is way better than accepting One
Of the Mostly crappy Offers in Here
If Colorado decides to wait that long, there will surely be a ridiculous offersheet coming from ANA, BUF, NJ or someone else.

Not to mention tanking in a weak draft year is not neccassarily a sound strategy.

Blitz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 04:54 PM
  #466
Crisp Breakout
Registered User
 
Crisp Breakout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 4,797
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitz View Post
If Colorado decides to wait that long, there will surely be a ridiculous offersheet coming from ANA, BUF, NJ or someone else.

Not to mention tanking in a weak draft year is not neccassarily a sound strategy.
You can't be serious. Anaheim is the last team who would make a ridiculous offersheet to O'Reilly.

Crisp Breakout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:00 PM
  #467
Chayos
Registered User
 
Chayos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Whitehorse, Yukon
Posts: 2,683
vCash: 500
My proposal from the oiler standpoint is this.

To Colorado: Oscar Klefbom and a 2013 2nd round pick.

This give the avs good value, but not until next year, so they can go for one more high pick then be ready with a solid lineup. Klefbom is the oilers best prospect outside of the NHL, so no one can say its not a very good offer. He is a prize d-man prospect who plays a dominating 2 way game. This offer will make other Oiler fans mad given our need of d-men, but it fills in another big need which is at center. This also allows us to move Gagner out for a d-man.

Chayos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:02 PM
  #468
Avs44
Registered User
 
Avs44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Country: United States
Posts: 7,602
vCash: 3319
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitz View Post
If Colorado decides to wait that long, there will surely be a ridiculous offersheet coming from ANA, BUF, NJ or someone else.

Not to mention tanking in a weak draft year is not neccassarily a sound strategy.
Yes, I agree. All we have to do is look at past history to see how common offersheets are....oh wait.

Avs44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:02 PM
  #469
White Goodman
smell that fitness?
 
White Goodman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Edmonton, AB
Country: England
Posts: 6,381
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoemAvs View Post
With Downie out for the Season
And Landeskog possibly sidelined
with a Concussion , the Avs won't
Make the Playoffs .
We are missing 3 of our Best 6
Forwards.
With a rusty RoR in the lineup,
We just worsen our Pick.
Avs can just play hardball and wait him
Out Till Next offseason
That is way better than accepting One
Of the Mostly crappy Offers in Here
Poem format?

White Goodman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:03 PM
  #470
Avs44
Registered User
 
Avs44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Country: United States
Posts: 7,602
vCash: 3319
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chayos View Post
My proposal from the oiler standpoint is this.

To Colorado: Oscar Klefbom and a 2013 2nd round pick.

This give the avs good value, but not until next year, so they can go for one more high pick then be ready with a solid lineup. Klefbom is the oilers best prospect outside of the NHL, so no one can say its not a very good offer. He is a prize d-man prospect who plays a dominating 2 way game. This offer will make other Oiler fans mad given our need of d-men, but it fills in another big need which is at center. This also allows us to move Gagner out for a d-man.
Read through the thread and see some of the other offers...try again.

Avs44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:03 PM
  #471
Holyhell
'Crumblers'
 
Holyhell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,352
vCash: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale View Post
Weren't Avs fans saying young top pairing defenseman or bust?
Perhaps. Since when was the Trade Rumors and Proposals section supposed to be from the respective teams front office?

Holyhell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:07 PM
  #472
couture23
Sabres & Red Sox
 
couture23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: GTA/Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,998
vCash: 500
If we didn't have Leino on our hands, I wouldn't mind if the Sabres gave O'Reilly an offer sheet. It just sucks losing out on the picks.

couture23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:21 PM
  #473
avsfan09
Registered User
 
avsfan09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,039
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitz View Post
If Colorado decides to wait that long, there will surely be a ridiculous offersheet coming from ANA, BUF, NJ or someone else.

Not to mention tanking in a weak draft year is not neccassarily a sound strategy.
Really? That's odd because it looks impressive to me.

avsfan09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:24 PM
  #474
avsfan09
Registered User
 
avsfan09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,039
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitz View Post
If Colorado decides to wait that long, there will surely be a ridiculous offersheet coming from ANA, BUF, NJ or someone else.

Not to mention tanking in a weak draft year is not neccassarily a sound strategy.
No teams in their right mind is going to sign O'reilly to a ridiculous offer-sheet. If they do try to sign him, most likely the Avs match and they lose a trading partner in the league. It is really frowned upon.

If they sign him to a deal the Avs won't match it would have to be ridiculous and it would hurt that team in the future.

avsfan09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-28-2013, 05:55 PM
  #475
cgf
Registered User
 
cgf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 10,798
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by avsfan09 View Post
Really? That's odd because it looks impressive to me.
No man, it's next year's draft that's going to be the greatest of all time and this year's draft is weak...

cgf is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:27 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.