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02-11-2013, 10:23 AM
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I'm pleasently surprised with Shaw's play at C and he has gotten better lately. We still need another center, 4th line C at least. One injury and we are running out some really strange combinations.
I don't know, we have 5 in Toews/Bolland/Shaw/Kruger/Mayers with the ability of others to step in and a decent prospect in Pirri that could always get the call up. Granted, there's a drop off from Toews to Bolland but there's so much talent on the wing that it's less noticeable.

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If the Kings keep sinking, do they begin to sell? What about Jeff Carter for the 2C or is he too expensive?

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If the Kings keep sinking, do they begin to sell? What about Jeff Carter for the 2C or is he too expensive?
The Kings won the Cup last year, they aren't going to rush to break their team up

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If the Kings keep sinking, do they begin to sell? What about Jeff Carter for the 2C or is he too expensive?
A - don't see them selling.


B - don't think I'd want Carter's $5.2M cap hit till 2022, not to mention we'd have to give up a good chunk of prospects for him. Not a fan of this idea at all.

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If the Kings keep sinking, do they begin to sell? What about Jeff Carter for the 2C or is he too expensive?
No, they will not sell. That core won a Cup. You don't overreact due to a shortened season with no training camp.

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Not to mention that the Carter trade has been commonly cited as one of the moves that helped win them the Cup.

Even if they do become sellers (unlikely), it's a safe bet that Carter won't be on the table.

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02-11-2013, 10:42 AM
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Yeah, the Kings will probably do very little transaction wise regardless of what happens.

There is one guy, however, that they could move and would be of interest. Simon Gagne. We have a lot of wingers as it is but I could definitely see him going somewhere else, maybe Nashville.

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I don't see the need for Gagne on this team.

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Not to mention that the Carter trade has been commonly cited as one of the moves that helped win them the Cup.

Even if they do become sellers (unlikely), it's a safe bet that Carter won't be on the table.
I can't believe Hawk fans seriously think getting Carter is a good idea. When will people finally get it that Hawks absolutely cannot afford another long-term $5m+ contract. They already have Keith/Hossa contracts that will hurt them in long run. Kane/Toews will be up for lifetime extensions in a couple years.

Not to mention Carter is one of the most overpaid players in the NHL.

It just comes off as typical bandwagon Hawk fan that doesn't really understand how the league works....

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02-11-2013, 11:28 AM
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As much as I agree the Hawks won't get Carter, it appears as though they aren't shy to taking on another long-term deal since they offered Parise 12 or 13 years in the summer.

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As much as I agree the Hawks won't get Carter, it appears as though they aren't shy to taking on another long-term deal since they offered Parise 12 or 13 years in the summer.
Wasn't that also when the cap was expected to be jump to the $70M range? After Olesz is off the books, we'll have close to 6.5M in cap space, total... But you still have guys in house that are going to be getting raises in the next 2-3 years. Leddy, Kane, and Toews I think all get raises. Still have guys like Kruger, Bolland, Stalberg, Crawford, and Hammer that will need new contracts in the next 2-3 seasons as well. I don't see us taking on another massive contract any time soon that isn't one of our own.

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02-11-2013, 11:35 AM
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Wasn't that also when the cap was expected to be jump to the $70M range? After Olesz is off the books, we'll have close to 6.5M in cap space, total... But you still have guys in house that are going to be getting raises in the next 2-3 years. Leddy, Kane, and Toews I think all get raises. Still have guys like Kruger, Bolland, Stalberg, Crawford, and Hammer that will need new contracts in the next 2-3 seasons as well.
Yes, it was.

Parise is a pretty damn good player. I'd rather give him a 12 years than finish off Carter's contract.

And I truly don't think Stalberg is going to be back. I would not mind it at all if he returned on a three-year deal worth $3.5 million or below, but I just don't expect it quite honestly.

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02-11-2013, 11:44 AM
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Yes, it was.

Parise is a pretty damn good player. I'd rather give him a 12 years than finish off Carter's contract.

And I truly don't think Stalberg is going to be back. I would not mind it at all if he returned on a three-year deal worth $3.5 million or below, but I just don't expect it quite honestly.
Stalberg is the one guy I listed that I don't see coming back as well. We should have the wing depth within our organization to replace him. Don't see an in house replacement for Hammer, so I'd expect him back, which I think means he gets a generous contract as far as how long it will be. I really don't have a clue on Bolland. Not really sure how other GMs around the league value him $$$ wise.

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02-11-2013, 11:58 AM
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Bolland will get, at minimum, $4.5 million per.

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Bolland will get, at minimum, $4.5 million per.
That's pretty high. If he takes advantage of his opportunities at 2C, sure, but as an elite 3C (and it still looks like that's what he is), 4M would be enough. Also, he is such a humble player and loves Chicago. I'd be really surprised if he tested the market and went to the team that offered him the most money.

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02-11-2013, 12:03 PM
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Bolland will get, at minimum, $4.5 million per.
Maybe in the old NHL, in the current NHL he won't. With the cap going down next year not to many teams will spend 1/13th of their cap space on a fringe top 6 center. I LOVE Bolland and what he brings but he simply doesn't put up the numbers to get that $.

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02-11-2013, 12:10 PM
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I meant other teams will give him $4.5 million.

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I meant other teams will give him $4.5 million.
I doubt even that, when bonafide top 6 C like Kessler, Ribiero, Plekanec are making $5million I doubt that a team will give a guy who isn't a bonafide top 6 C, almost the same money.

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02-11-2013, 12:21 PM
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But they all re-signed. There will be a team willing to give him the number I threw out. It's his choice whether or not to take more money elsewhere.

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I meant other teams will give him $4.5 million.
I think his offense holds him back of getting anything significantly north of $4M.

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Realistically, no one should be offering Bolland anything over 4M with the cap sinking so sharply. I'd say our ceiling on him should be around 3.6M

There might be a team that offers him $4.5M if they're desperate and bad with contracts. After all, Tallon is still a GM.

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02-11-2013, 12:32 PM
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I definitely think the Hawks will refuse to give him more than like $3.75 million, but I bet there is a team or two ready and willing to overpay. Bolland is simply awesome. Other GMs realize that, especially Western ones.

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Bolland inked this $3.3M/year contract after the 08-09 season. That season he had 19 goals and 28 assists in the regular season. Since then he has once matched the 19 goals, and only had one other season with 20+ assists, when he notched 22. No reason this guy deserves a raise.

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02-11-2013, 12:43 PM
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As long as he is a top-six center on this team, his stats will go up. Ray, I agree he doesn't deserve a raise, but that was because he wasn't in a role that would really boost his stats. Playing with Kane and Sharp will get him some more points, which means it will get him some more money.

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Bolland's contract isn't up until after the 2013/14 season. The situation could look entirely different at that time than it does right now. Will the cap go up from the $64.3M in 2013/14? Will Danault or someone else be ready to step into the 3C role? What will Bolland's stats be from this season and 2013/14? Will his back problems resurface and limit his effectiveness?

Way too early to know what will happen with Bolland in the summer of 2014.

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