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02-20-2013, 08:03 AM
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Man, can Columbus win some freaking games already!

They have two consecutive picks in the first round. So, if they finished last and won the lottery (a high probability) they could draft Jones and MacKinnon! It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they might pick MacKinnon/ Drouin or MacKinnon/ Barkov since they picked Murray in the first in last years' draft. Columbus just traded their offensive superstar and they're going to look for offense to replace him. Also, I think it's very unlikely to think that MacKinnon will be available after two selections. I'm trying to stay realistic.

So, the possible draft situations of the day are:

2013 NHL Draft

1. Columbus
2. Columbus
3. Florida

Scenario #1

1. Columbus - Jones
2. Columbus - MacKinnon
3. Florida - ?

Scenario #2

1. Columbus - MacKinnon
2. Columbus - Drouin
3. Florida - ?

Scenario #3

1. Columbus - MacKinnon
2. Columbus - Barkov
3. Florida - ?

What do we do for each scenario, why and rate which scenario is the best versus the worst?


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02-20-2013, 08:13 AM
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What do we do for each scenario, why and rate which scenario is the best versus the worst?
IMO Jackets go with MacKinnon/Jones if they end up 1-2 in the draft. Though that's highly unlikely, I doubt LA finishes in the bottom10.

Wouldn't be too surprised to see LA's and Rangers 1st rounders and Jackets own 2nd round pick traded for a top10 pick at the draft.

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Man, can Columbus win some freaking games already!

They have two consecutive picks in the first round. So, if they finished last and won the lottery (a high probability) they could draft Jones and MacKinnon! It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they might pick MacKinnon/ Drouin or MacKinnon/ Barkov since they picked Murray in the first in last years' draft. Columbus just traded their offensive superstar and they're going to look for offense to replace him. Also, I think it's very unlikely to think that MacKinnon will be available after two selections. I'm trying to stay realistic.

So, the possible draft situations of the day are:

2013 NHL Draft

1. Columbus
2. Columbus
3. Florida

Scenario #1

1. Columbus - Jones
2. Columbus - MacKinnon
3. Florida - ?

Scenario #2

1. Columbus - MacKinnon
2. Columbus - Drouin
3. Florida - ?

Scenario #3

1. Columbus - MacKinnon
2. Columbus - Barkov
3. Florida - ?

What do we do for each scenario, why and rate which scenario is the best versus the worst?
There are rumors that the new GM in Columbus is open to trading Jack Johnson as well though. So it would depend on what assets they get if they trade him. But then they probably could use another d-man in the pool anyway since Murray just suffered a shoulder injury that required surgery & a 6 month recovery time.

Regardless, if they did end up with the top 2 picks, they would absolutely pick MacKinnon & Jones. They are the top 2 guys regardless of needs or what they have already picked in past yrs. I still dont see the scenario possible where they get both the #1 & 2 picks as all that probable. The Kings will be better than they have shown even with the loss of some key players on defense and the Rangers are a team that at least will be in playoff contention.

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02-20-2013, 09:19 AM
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There are rumors that the new GM in Columbus is open to trading Jack Johnson as well though.
If you're referring to the thread on trade board, that's 100% pure speculation.

JK hasn't even met the team yet, he joins them on Thursday at Detroit.

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02-20-2013, 11:34 AM
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Any GM who wouldn't pick MacKinnon and Jones should be fired on the spot.

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Any GM who wouldn't pick MacKinnon and Jones should be fired on the spot.
I can see Jones dropping to 4-6. Offense>Defense even if he is BPA.

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I can see Jones dropping to 4-6. Offense>Defense even if he is BPA.
Ill bet any amount of money that doesnt happen. Jones is just too good.

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Ill bet any amount of money that doesnt happen. Jones is just too good.
We saw the same thing happen with Adam Larrson he was the next Lidstrom. At the end of the day offensive players make a bigger impact than defensive players.. Doughty isn't as important as Kopitar, Hedman doesn't impact the way Stamkos does, and in the event that they do have that kind of impact, it usually takes longer for it to happen.

Possible scenario; some random team wins lottery we will say Mon- Canadians.

They take Mackinnon. Next up Columbus they take Barkov since their new GM in Euro and they already drafted a D last year. Then Calgary Flames they pick Lindholm since they needed a number 1 center since forever and their ultra defensive teams never worked. Picking at number 4 the FLA Panthers take Monahan or Droin. That leaves Seth Jones at 5 0r 6. Its possible he falls despite being highly touted

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We saw the same thing happen with Adam Larrson he was the next Lidstrom. At the end of the day offensive players make a bigger impact than defensive players.. Doughty isn't as important as Kopitar, Hedman doesn't impact the way Stamkos does, and in the event that they do have that kind of impact, it usually takes longer for it to happen.

Possible scenario; some random team wins lottery we will say Mon- Canadians.

They take Mackinnon. Next up Columbus they take Barkov since their new GM in Euro and they already drafted a D last year. Then Calgary Flames they pick Lindholm since they needed a number 1 center since forever and their ultra defensive teams never worked. Picking at number 4 the FLA Panthers take Monahan or Droin. That leaves Seth Jones at 5 0r 6. Its possible he falls despite being highly touted
I hope DT would not pass on Jones at #4 for Drouin. Hell to the no.

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We saw the same thing happen with Adam Larrson he was the next Lidstrom. At the end of the day offensive players make a bigger impact than defensive players.. Doughty isn't as important as Kopitar, Hedman doesn't impact the way Stamkos does, and in the event that they do have that kind of impact, it usually takes longer for it to happen.

Possible scenario; some random team wins lottery we will say Mon- Canadians.

They take Mackinnon. Next up Columbus they take Barkov since their new GM in Euro and they already drafted a D last year. Then Calgary Flames they pick Lindholm since they needed a number 1 center since forever and their ultra defensive teams never worked. Picking at number 4 the FLA Panthers take Monahan or Droin. That leaves Seth Jones at 5 0r 6. Its possible he falls despite being highly touted
Larsson was not supposed to go #1, or even #2. He went right where he was supposed to. He lost steam in the rankings as the draft approached. He was an early bloomer and didn't develop at all in his draft year. He has hardly been dominant in the NHL so far. Jones is supposed to go #1 or 2. He projects to be better than Larsson. Better skater, better offensively, more physical. Jones is probably the best defense prospect since Bouwmeester. Better than Doughty, EJ, Hamilton, Hedman, Bogosian, JJ, Phaneuf, Suter etc. etc. at the same age.

Columbus, Calgary, and Florida would all take Jones. When it is close, you can take the position you want instead of BPA, but after MacKinnon, it isn't close. To take a big downgrade just because of position would be a huge mistake. We could trade Kulikov for a forward if we drafted Jones.

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02-20-2013, 05:12 PM
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Man, can Columbus win some freaking games already!

They have two consecutive picks in the first round. So, if they finished last and won the lottery (a high probability) they could draft Jones and MacKinnon! It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they might pick MacKinnon/ Drouin or MacKinnon/ Barkov since they picked Murray in the first in last years' draft. Columbus just traded their offensive superstar and they're going to look for offense to replace him. Also, I think it's very unlikely to think that MacKinnon will be available after two selections. I'm trying to stay realistic.

So, the possible draft situations of the day are:

2013 NHL Draft

1. Columbus
2. Columbus
3. Florida

Scenario #1

1. Columbus - Jones
2. Columbus - MacKinnon
3. Florida - ?

Scenario #2

1. Columbus - MacKinnon
2. Columbus - Drouin
3. Florida - ?

Scenario #3

1. Columbus - MacKinnon
2. Columbus - Barkov
3. Florida - ?

What do we do for each scenario, why and rate which scenario is the best versus the worst?
Scenario #1 = Barkov, but it's close between him and Drouin
Scenario #2 = Jones
Scenario #3 = Jones

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Here's a question for our resident prospect experts.

Can you take the top players in this draft and give us your projections:

Name of player
Best case scenario
Worst case scenario
Likely scenario

Any good links to scouting reports would be nice also.

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I can see Buffalo & Washington getting better as the season wears on. And I can see Columbus staying in last place. That might mean we could probably hover in 2nd for a while.

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i could see buffalo and columbus getting the top 2 spots. if buffalo drafts mackinnon, would columbus draft jones at 2 even tho they took murray at 2 last year and they need the offense? especially a center? maybe they go with barkov at 2 in that scenario.
if columbus got the first pick theyd take mac. buffalo at 2 is kinda in the same situation, they really need a center but could potentially take jones, pairing him with myers. or they could go with barkov.
id actually really hate it (well not "hate" obviously) if we are at 3 and mac is taken and jones isn't. as sick as jones looks we realllly need the offense and i loveeee drouin. call me crazy but if we're picking 3 and mac and barkov are taken 1 and 2, id take drouin at 3, him and huberdeau on opposite wings on the first line.
if that scenario played out, then we could actually trade back one spot if the team behind us wants jones, and we could still draft drouin plus get a little extra.
i think buffalo and columbus will end up being the 2 worst teams, but you never know how the lottery plays out, especially with everyone having a shot.
i will be soooo happy if we get a top 3 pick, and id be ecstatic if we draft drouin.

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Ok.

If we end up with the 3rd pick..

And Drouin falls in our lap.. That would be amazing. He leads the Q in scoring now with 93 points/ 36 goals in 42 games.

Kid is incredible.

Imagine Florida Panthers future offensive core:

Huberdeau
Drouin
Bjugstad

Now that is a core.

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Say we get #3..

MacKinnon - Team X
Jones - Team X
Drouin - Panthers

Love it. Drouin is another guy with solid potential to be a number-one liner. Shootout abilities, power play guy, passer/ finisher.. Makes guys better around him.

MacKinnon - Team X
Drouin - Team X (drafts Drouin because they need offense/ giving in to his the Drouin hype)
Jones - Panthers

Worst case scenario. We get another defenseman with limited offensive capabilities.

Jones - Team X
Drouin - Team X (Giving in to the hype)
MacKinnon - Panthers

Extremely unlikely. So, of course, this would benefit us. We get a potential first-liner, goal-scorer/ finisher.


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of all the guys in the top 5 are there any who could make an immediate impact in the nhl? which is most ready to play in the nhl?

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of all the guys in the top 5 are there any who could make an immediate impact in the nhl? which is most ready to play in the nhl?
Jones and Barkov then a drop to the other guys who are ready too but not AS READY, imo.

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Say we pick #2, who do you pick if Mac is gone and we could really go offense over Jones? Do you go Barkov this high?

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of all the guys in the top 5 are there any who could make an immediate impact in the nhl? which is most ready to play in the nhl?
I'd say any one of these young guys who have the size to survive in the NHL could step in right away..

Barkov, Jones, Zadorov

Maybe MacKinnon, Monahan, Nichushkin

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Mackinnon and Jones are both ready. Barkov and Monahan are extremely ready they play in all 3 zones and excel on the PK with maturity.

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Say we pick #2, who do you pick if Mac is gone and we could really go offense over Jones? Do you go Barkov this high?

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If the choice is Drouin or Jones, we gotta go with Drouin.

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Say we pick #2, who do you pick if Mac is gone and we could really go offense over Jones? Do you go Barkov this high?

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Jones. Jones is a surefire stud. Drouin and Barkov are not, even though Drouin leaves my jaw dropped sometimes with the moves he makes.

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I'd say any one of these young guys who have the size to survive in the NHL could step in right away..

Barkov, Jones, Zadorov

Maybe MacKinnon, Monahan, Nichushkin
I agree but I'd put MacKinnon in the top group. I can't see him not playing not next season. I think Nichushkin has another two years on his KHL contract, but I may be wrong.

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I'm assuming most of you have seen the video of Drouin's "shift of the year". How do you not pick this kid?!?!


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I'm assuming most of you have seen the video of Drouin's "shift of the year". How do you not pick this kid?!?!

Drouin is a wizard with the puck, but the fact is he's not a sure thing. He's 5'11" and around 185 lbs., and if he's not scoring he's pretty much useless. He doesn't hit and he doesn't play defense.

MacKinnon is bigger, faster, stronger, more physical, better defensively, and is more of sure thing at the NHL level because he'll probably be better offensively because of all those things. He's a high end 2nd line forward at worst. The only edge Drouin has on MacKinnon is his hands, and probably hockey sense but that's slight.

Jones is an incredible defense prospect who literally has no holes in his game. He can do it on offense, defense, in the physical department. He can rush the puck up ice or make terrific breakout passes. And he's 6'4" 210 lbs. already, and skates like he's 5'10".

Drouin has holes in his game, the other two don't.

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