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01-30-2013, 03:20 PM
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Too much puckhandling will. Bure wanted to do everything by himself, definition of a puck hog, Hull at least passed.

You can call you line parallel slalom with Fedorov as a pole.
Yeah. I like Feds as center for either of them, but Bure and Bobby Hull are two of the most famous puck hogs of all time and are going to be getting in each other's ways if they play together at even strength. It's not a bad place for Bure if you can get him the proper linemates, though having a guy like that on either line is going to be tough.

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Yeah, I'm sure if Shore gets caught up ice, Blake will naturally go for a big hip check on an odd man rush instead of playing it safer.

And vice versa of course.
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Both Shore and Blake were at their best playing next to a safer partner. I love them together on the PP.

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You are right about Stastny. The scouting reports go as far as to call him bad.
Right. I thought I remembered you saying that there were scounting reports calling him bad that were floating around there somewhere.

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Kenora picks Dale Hawerchuk, C...
IMO, very little separates Stastny from Hawerchuk.

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Pittsburgh PAC selects LW, Bert Olmstead
Damn, he just keeps going earlier and earlier. Glad I took Abel when I did, rather than wait and hope Olmstead would be available in the 150s.


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01-30-2013, 03:21 PM
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Olmstead - Beliveau - Bathgate is a nasty 1st line. It's a somewhat novel way to use Andy Bathgate, but I think it would work. Both Olmstead and Beliveau were good enough without the puck to accomodate Andy's style. Nice unit.

PS: I do think this is a tad early for Olmstead, but I understand why you made the move.

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01-30-2013, 03:26 PM
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Well then.. You just made it a lot easier for me.
And you helped reassure me

I had an offer to trade down, but if I did and lost Olmstead it'd have entirely ruined the purpose.

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Olmstead - Beliveau - Bathgate is a nasty 1st line. It's a somewhat novel way to use Andy Bathgate, but I think it would work. Both Olmstead and Beliveau were good enough without the puck to accomodate Andy's style. Nice unit.

PS: I do think this is a tad early for Olmstead, but I understand why you made the move.
Call it making up for my wrongdoings last year

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01-30-2013, 03:32 PM
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Wasn't Shore a right handed d-man that played the right side?

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01-30-2013, 04:20 PM
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My list was picked clean and I'm at work, I'll be home in about 1:30 hours, I'll look into things then.

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Wasn't Shore a right handed d-man that played the right side?
yes he was.

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yes he was.
So in other words split up Shore and Blake asap.

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Kenora has moved up.... Thistles select Igor Larionov, C

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Can someone text or Facebook or whatever LeafLand for me...

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01-30-2013, 07:14 PM
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Loving the first line, and done!

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01-30-2013, 07:21 PM
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01-30-2013, 07:43 PM
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Kenora has moved up.... Thistles select Igor Larionov, C
I can see why you wanted to ensure you got your man.

My man was Butch Bouchard, so, obviously, getting my man was not an option.

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Loving the first line, and done!
Same here. Can't decide which first line I like best between that one, Reen's, Mark's and Nik's.

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01-30-2013, 07:58 PM
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I can see why you wanted to ensure you got your man.

My man was Butch Bouchard, so, obviously, getting my man was not an option.
Nice to know he still wouldn't have fallen to me even if Hobnobs didn't take him.

Just texting Leaf, he's at work and said he will pick in the next hour or so when he gets his break.

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01-30-2013, 08:40 PM
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In Ottawa, Smith was obviously not going to supplant a healthy Frank Nighbor at center, but he was too good to ride the pine, so they stuck him in on right wing when Nighbor wasn't gimpy. It was an ad hoc solution.

In Montreal, Smith landed on a team with at the time one of the greatest scorers in hockey playing center. Why that fatass had to stay at center is an eternal mystery, but again, Smith playing RW there doesn't mean anybody thought it was his best position. Once he was moved back to center in 1931-32, that is where he stayed, until his back eventually went out, and he wound down his career as a defenseman, which is irrelevant.

He played about a half season on defense once as a Maroon. It seems to have been the exception and not the rule that Smith was used on defense during his prime, but he could clearly do a good job back there. It doesn't really matter what percent of his career he spent at what position, almost 100% of his success came when he was a center.

You are correct that the Maroons were probably sick of Smith's fatass center, and that player's poor performance in 1931-32 is perhaps evidence that Smith was more important to his scoring than would be obvious in the box score...but then again, the LW on the old S line had the best scoring season of his career the year Smith left the line, so I dunno what to think.

In a case where a player plays multiple positions, but has the vast majority of his success at one position, I don't think a whole lot of in-depth analysis is necessary. The reason Smith has been used so often as a RW in the ATD is because in the past we were ignorant of exactly how his career broke down, and canon on the subject was very superficial on this topic. Hooley's "most famous" years came at RW on the S Line, and so everybody probably just assumed he was awesome at RW. A closer look into his career reveals that those were actually his worst peak seasons, both statistically and in terms of awards recognition, and that he really blossomed when playing center.

It is what it is, and every GM can interpret the facts as he sees fit. My interpretation is that Smith's style of game was better suited to playing the pivot, which should not be surprising as he was a playmaker and a hook-checker, both of which are best done from the middle of the ice. But that's just my opinion.
While there is no doubt he played better defense as a centre. One, centre is the more defensively demanding position and thus has more opportunities to excel. Two, the hook/poke check style is best employed from center ice. But that said, there is one clear exception to that second point, when there is already an elite hook/poke checker on the ice. How many articles about Smith's early days refer to the combination of Nighbor and Smith as impregnable or some such variation? To read articles of the day, the combination was viewed as the best defensive forward combination that observers have ever seen.

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And there is no doubt that Smith got more Hart recognition at centre. (All-stars are a grey area as he only had one season where he played primarily right wing when there was post season all-stars.) But that can easily be explained that his expanded defensive role increased his perceived value, plus when he played centre he was always filling in for or replacing a known MVP, so his ability to fill those shoes would reflect positively.

I do however object to you're assertion that his offense suffered at right wing. Take for example the 25-26 season vs 26-27. In 25-26 he had a stellar offensive campaign at RW. In 26-27 he played significant minutes at centre and saw his production plummet. Or in 31-32, he started the year at RW, but over the course of the season converted to centre. He also started the year atop the scoring race, until about the halfway mark, and then ended up in 6th. The only offensive difference I can see between him playing right wing or centre is that he seems to be a better goal scorer at centre and a better playmaker from right wing.

But what I object to most is that you are taking his greatest strength, versatility, and trying to find a way to distort things to take that away from him. Maybe he was a natural winger and he only played centre because in Ottawa the second unit centre's career bottomed out that year and the second unit wingers were emerging impact players. And in Montreal maybe the only other player they had who played centre was the player the coach wanted to rely on less. Or maybe it was because he was a natural centre. But either way, his versatility was something every coach who ever coached him used to full effect, and if you think you know more about a player than every coach who ever coached him, then I have to say that you are not basing your opinion's in fact.

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Loving the first line, and done!
Thanks!

Not really sure what to do at this point though...role with:
Kharlamov - Larionov - Makarov
LW - Hawerchuk - RW

or split up the soviets...

LW - Larionov - Makarov
Kharlamov - Hawerchuk - RW

decisions, decisions

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Just texting Leaf, he's at work and said he will pick in the next hour or so when he gets his break.
Then you pick, then hedberg and I have a Plan A and a Plan B. What are the odds that LL and V will mess it up?

Since our last pick (58 slots ago) , here are the only guys we were considering at one point or another this draft, given our draft positioning:

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Bucyk was low on our priority list for round 3 and Conacher was tops of our round 4 list. We expected Pronovost and Olmstead to be among our list considerations for early round 5.

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leafs select johnny bower g

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Thanks!

Not really sure what to do at this point though...role with:
Kharlamov - Larionov - Makarov
LW - Hawerchuk - RW

or split up the soviets...

LW - Larionov - Makarov
Kharlamov - Hawerchuk - RW

decisions, decisions
You really need to go the second way. As attractive as it may be to have Kharlamov and Makarov on the same line, that line is going to be absolutely brutalized by some of the more physical defenses out there.

Splitting them up gives you the start of two terrifying lines, so long as you finish them off the right way.


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01-30-2013, 09:22 PM
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Aaaaaaaaaand we get the guy we want to complete our first line, and keep up with some of the teams' assembling serious units up front.

The most famous person to ever come out of Peribonka, Quebec, Michel Goulet



An underrated guy in the corners, with a very nice offensive resume. Scored at least 20 goals in every season besides his final year which was cut short due to a horrific career-ending concussion. Goulet will form the "3G Network" with Wayne Gretzky and Bernie Geoffrion. (get it? I'm hilarious)

3 First All-Star Teams
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548 goals, 1152 points in 1089 games.

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Note: Hedberg and I need our clock to get our act together but we have told modo he could go ahead if he's not drafting the position we've targeted.

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Dawson City welcomes back Punch Broadbent, the gritty back-checking RW who will once again reside on our top line.

We also feel it's a fine time to bring in a goalie, and select Bernie Parent to tend the twine.

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