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02-01-2013, 05:14 PM
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Can't go wrong with strength down the middle.

Now, the question is, do Crosby and Malkin = strength down the middle from an ATD sense.

Both have the peak but do they have enough of it when in comparison to careers?
Malkin's resume is already incredible.

-3 1st teams
-2 Art Ross's
-Conn Smythe
-Lester Pearson

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02-01-2013, 05:24 PM
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Malkin's resume is already incredible.

-3 1st teams
-2 Art Ross's
-Conn Smythe
-Lester Pearson
But only 3 top 10 points finishes.

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02-01-2013, 05:32 PM
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With the 145th pick the Chicago Shamrocks are pleased to select Carl Brewer, D

1x 1st Team All Star
3x 2nd Team
1x "3rd Team"
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02-01-2013, 05:33 PM
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With the 145th pick the Chicago Shamrocks are pleased to select Carl Brewer, D

1x 1st Team All Star
3x 2nd Team
1x "3rd Team"
1x WC All Star
3x Stanley Cup Champion
almost took Brewer but his bad attitude finally got the best of me and I traded the pick away.Not to mention his ridiculous penalties which can be costly.

That being said , he is a good defenseman there.

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02-01-2013, 05:37 PM
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142. Murphy & gmm - Edmonton Mercurys - Roy Conacher, LW
143. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionares - Alexander Maltsev, RW
144. tony d - Baltimore Blades - Jan Suchy, D
145. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Carl Brewer, D
146. Stoneberg & Croskinnon - Halifax Mooseheads - OTC until 12:32am PST
147. Dwight - West Island Lions
148. ck26 - Dallas Black Hawks
149. BubbaBoot - Boston Mules

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02-01-2013, 05:48 PM
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Is there any issue with him being less effective at RW? I know almost all of his Soviet League AS teams came at C
I don't know enough about his career to say with any certainty, and I know a fair amount about him. I guess Maltsev gets the benefit of our ignorance in this case.

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02-01-2013, 06:32 PM
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But was not an all-star in a shallow league. Given the competitive level, I think we need to maintain a high standard for what we credit as greatness. For me, that standard is at least all-star status. Other GMs may disagree.
Who were the all-stars in 1900-03?

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02-01-2013, 07:35 PM
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That's a nice pick, monster. Maltsev should go at least 20 spots higher, IMO.
If I hadn't traded pick 116 up, Reen would have taken Busher Jackson at 115 anyways. After that Roy Conacher was my first choice and Alex Maltsev was my second. I can't believe they both lasted until picks 142-3. Nice pick, MB.

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I like the Kasatonov and Maltsev picks. If Hod Stuart wasn't available, those are the two we would have looked at.

The Conacher pick was nice too. If we didn't already have Joliat, he would have been on our radar.

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I like the Kasatonov and Maltsev picks. If Hod Stuart wasn't available, those are the two we would have looked at. The Conacher pick was nice too. If we didn't already have Joliat, he would have been on our radar.
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02-01-2013, 08:10 PM
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I think this is about where Stuart belongs. I think he had an excellent peak, but that's it. 4-5 seasons of excellent play (we'll be generous and call it five), and very little else.
Agreed. Hod had a great peak but limited career. That is what "limits" his value to 133rd overall, early 5th round, a pretty respectable position given his career length. I wholly appreciate pre-NHL old era players but Hod Stuart is on the list of guys who go before I would draft them (there is even an undrafted contemporary of his I'd take before him, all things considered, but I can understand disagreement on this as it's apples and oranges given different skillsets and attributes and career dimensions; more on this later).

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Hockey during this time was limited to a small area of Canada - basically Ottawa, Montreal and a few surrounding towns. Stuart had four terrific seasons as maybe the best player in the world in the first decade of the 20th century, but how does that compare to Rob Blake's four seasons as a top-4 defenseman in a much more competitive environment?
That was one consideration! Dreakmur questioned how hedberg and I could draft Murphy over Hod, the guy his team drafted (both dreakmur and our team are in the same division). Well, Larry Murphy has three 2nd team all-star selections as top-4 positioning in the modern NHL regular season to go with heavy workload and scoring success in the NHL playoffs time and again for multiple franchises. Plus his durability and smart play and multiple praises from a legendary defensive-minded coach who thought he was great. Murphy was a no-brainer for us on the 2nd pairing, as the third of a Top-3: three heavy minutes reliable, play-through-injury two-way talents: Mark Howe, Moose Johnson, Larry Murphy. That top-3 ensures we will have a puck mover who can neutralize opposing forwards with smart, efficient plays. All three can play the powerplay and penalty kill, are known for their decision making and positioning as well as hard work, durability and puck movement. They fit into our team concept and team-building strategy this draft and were not reaches the rounds in which they went.


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02-01-2013, 08:43 PM
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Agreed. Hod had a great peak but limited career. That is what "limits" his value to 133rd overall, early 5th round, a pretty respectable position given his career length. I wholly appreciate pre-NHL old era players but Hod Stuart is on the list of guys who go before I would draft them (there is even an undrafted contemporary of his I'd take before him, all things considered, but I can understand disagreement on this as it's apples and oranges given different skillsets and attributes and career dimensions; more on this later).
9 seasons during his era should in no way be considered a limited career. He didn't have a long career, but 9 years was pretty close to the average length for a top end player. Very few played reached double digit seasons.

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Hah! Good one....post of the entire thread so far.

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02-01-2013, 09:36 PM
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Halifax is pleased to select Lester Patrick, D.

Maybe a bit early but there's been a run on dmen and I've had the only other guy I'd consider taking over him before.

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Yvan Cournoyer, RW

He's fallen far enough.

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02-01-2013, 10:27 PM
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Yvan Cournoyer, RW

He's fallen far enough.
Indeed. Eight Stanley Cups in an important role for two dynasties. Four 2nd team all-stars. Elite speed and finishing skill.



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02-01-2013, 10:33 PM
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Yvan Cournoyer, RW

He's fallen far enough.
Good pick.

As a Bruins fan I'm obligated to hate all things Canadiens.....but I was always a Cournoyer fan.

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02-01-2013, 10:49 PM
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Yvan Cournoyer, RW

He's fallen far enough.
Nice. He wasn't even on my radar at 143 - but I didn't even realize he was still out there. Really good value here.

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Cournoyer and Maltsev were two RW's I was looking at, but decided to pass on.

Hoping I made the right choice in the end, lol

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I hate these mid-100's picks because there are SO many good players on the board but opinions start to diverge widely and there's really no telling who's going to be there when you're on the clock next.

One of these drafts, I want to trade down / up / out of everything and pick about 12 times between 110 and 200, but until then, I'll just grab LW Bill Barber to join Newsy Lalonde on our top line.

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9 seasons during his era should in no way be considered a limited career. He didn't have a long career, but 9 years was pretty close to the average length for a top end player. Very few played reached double digit seasons.
Yeah, really.

I mean, Tommy Phillips played 11 seasons, the top scorer of the era played 12 seasons, another charter member of the HHOF played seven years, another HHOF defenseman 9 years. 10 playing seasons was about the norm if you started your career before 1900. There's only one defenseman I can personally think of whose career was particularly long even though he started that early.

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02-02-2013, 12:01 AM
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A 5-year peak in a 10-year-ish career is indeed okay at this point. Not ideal, but arguably worthy.

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02-02-2013, 12:08 AM
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Cournoyer is an interesting case.I think he was overrated overall.He was a fine pick at this point though.

The value at RW is pretty good right now.

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