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Top 25 Slovakian Players Of All-Time – #4

View Poll Results: Top 25 Slovakian Players Of All-Time – #4
Peter Bondra 12 33.33%
Pavol Demitra 1 2.78%
Vladimir Dzurilla 1 2.78%
Jozef Golonka 0 0%
Marian Gaborik 2 5.56%
Michal Handzus 0 0%
Zigmund Palffy 19 52.78%
Lubomir Visnovsky 0 0%
Miroslav Satan 1 2.78%
Jozef Stümpel 0 0%
Robert Svehla 0 0%
Anton Stastny 0 0%
Marian Stastny 0 0%
Richard Zednik 0 0%
Vincent Lukac 0 0%
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01-29-2013, 11:44 AM
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Top 25 Slovakian Players Of All-Time – #4

1. Peter Stastny
2. Zdeno Chara
3. Marian Hossa

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I expect order Palffy - Bondra - Demitra, though I would love to see if there can be built an argument for Satan.

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Gotta go with Bondra here.

500 career NHL goals and a two times goal scoring champion.

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I would love to see if there can be built an argument for Satan.
I think in some ways he was the Thomas Vanek of his time - he played on teams that were out of the spotlight, but was always very consistent and very dangerous, without much support at times. In context his record stands up very well against anyone.

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I expect order Palffy - Bondra - Demitra, though I would love to see if there can be built an argument for Satan.
No, not yet.

He was perhaps the most prolific national team player, but his performance at the NHL level wasn't at Bondra and Palffy's level.

But it really all depends on how much we value international competitions performance. Because if we were value it a lot, an argument can be made for Satan to go as high as number 3 IMO.

Anyway I think we're mostly judging their NHL careers with these polls, so going with Bondra's 500 dead puck era goals for this one.

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Palffy was a much better player than Bondra.

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Palffy was a much better player than Bondra.
Hell no.

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I have Palffy then Bondra. I think I have Demitra, after Bondra, But what is the argument for Satan over Gaborik?

I think Satan was more consistent, but Gaborik was more explosive and dangerous. The only argument I can think of for Satan is he generally had less to work with than Gaborik - especially Gaborik in NYR and he was more consistent year to year due to being more durable.

But is that the only argument for Satan over Gaborik?

Edit: Upon further investigation, Satan's internationally credentials put him over Gaborik.

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Hell no.
Palffy was top 10 in points several times, Bondra not once. Bondra is obviously however, the better goalscorer. Overall though it's Palffy for sure.

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Palffy was top 10 in points several times, Bondra not once. Bondra is obviously however, the better goalscorer. Overall though it's Palffy for sure.
Doesn't make him 'much' better though. Also worse defensively, less physical, less durable... Palffy's sole edge is playmaking, pretty much.

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"All things considered", I'd be tempted to put Palffy and Demitra above Bondra and Gaborik. Bondra may be the best goal scorer of the lot, and may have everyone on the aggregate NHL totals, but depending on how much weight one puts on the international contribution he could easily end up 4th of the 4, imo. It also depends on how much (if any) Palffy and Gaborik get docked for having the least impressive NHL playoff resumes, I suppose. This particular stretch is hard to feel 100% confident about.

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Quick and dirty: Demitra vs. Bondra points

Bondra: no top 10 finishes in points

Demitra:
10th in 1999, no teammate in top 20
7th in 2002, teammate Keith Tkachuk was only 4 points back (79-75)
6th in 2003, no teammate in top 20

Bondra top seasons by adjusted points: 90, 87, 80, 80, 77, 74, 69, 63, 63, 57, 50, 41, 41, 39, 38, 25, 16, 14
Demitra top seasons by adjusted points: 104, 101, 89, 82, 67, 65, 60, 59, 59, 55, 49, 17, 17, 12

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I expect order Palffy - Bondra - Demitra, though I would love to see if there can be built an argument for Satan.
I think Gaborick has a case to slide in ahead of Dmitra right now and finish ahead of all 3 when his career is over.

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"All things considered", I'd be tempted to put Palffy and Demitra above Bondra and Gaborik. Bondra may be the best goal scorer of the lot, and may have everyone on the aggregate NHL totals, but depending on how much weight one puts on the international contribution he could easily end up 4th of the 4, imo. It also depends on how much (if any) Palffy and Gaborik get docked for having the least impressive NHL playoff resumes, I suppose. This particular stretch is hard to feel 100% confident about.
A joke? Bondra has all of them beat internationally. Don't look only at how many points they scored, look at against whom and when. Bondra > Palffy > Demitra >> Gaborik, internationally.

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My list is ranked (considering names we're talking about)
3. Bondra - SC final, 2x scoring leader
4. Satan - SC winner, final, 1000 games, consistent scorer on team with terrible forwards and case for him is built on his international resume: 4x OG (1994 goalscoring leader IIRC, 2010 4th), WC: gold (captain, most productive player, AST, MVP), silver (captain, top WC goalscorer), silver, bronze, National team 116 games / 69 goals, he was extremely clutch goal scorer in national team in clutch games and not always with slovakia's dream teams.
5. Palffy
6. Demitra - Lady Byng, but he failed as leader in Blues, he failed in NT whenever he was captain or leader...
7. Gaborik - just very very good goal scorer

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