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01-28-2013, 02:35 PM
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I believe the academic term for it is "drivel."
If you want to go point by point through Cox work...it never really looks good. The Toronto Star is a widely distributed newspaper that has to be written at a Grade 3/4 level so all of the readers can identify and understand.

If you talked to Cox one-on-one, Im sure he could give better reasoning for trading Kessel.

But he is right.

We should trade Kessel.

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I hope he scores a hatty tomorrow and shuts you all up.

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I hope he scores a hatty tomorrow and shuts you all up.
I hope he scores a hatty and justifies the value he's certainly going to hold for us in a trade.

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I hope he scores a hatty and justifies the value he's certainly going to hold for us in a trade.
We're not trading him.

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I hope he scores a hatty and justifies the value he's certainly going to hold for us in a trade.
That's the spirit!

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We're not trading him.
Would you pay him 7.5 long term starting 2014 and not blink an eye?

Then why is it not worth considering?

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We're not trading him.
We better hope he's actually crazy when he says Tyler Bozak is a great hockey player then.

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Just a thought, but does anyone else find this whole anti-Phil Kessel tirade a bit hypocritical?

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but a while ago didn't we see"screw Burke's size/grit movement, we need skill!"

Now it seems to be "screw skill, we need grit!"

Could it be we, in fact, need both?

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Just a thought, but does anyone else find this whole anti-Phil Kessel tirade a bit hypocritical?

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it use to be "screw Burke's size/grit movement, we need skill!"

Now it seems to be "screw skill, we need grit!"

Could it be we, in fact, need both?
We need whatever we don't have right now


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01-28-2013, 03:01 PM
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Kessel is one dimensional.
He is soft, rarely hits anyone and avoids contact often to the detriment of the play.
He doesn't play in the tough areas
He is not a leader
He is not very good at making space for himself
He is not a a very good play maker
He will never be more than what he is, he doesn't have the personality for it.
His fate will soon be in his hands, the leafs will lose control.
He scored a lot of goals in a all offense first system, that system is gone.
He is a very good goal scorer, are the leafs in a position to take advantage of what he brings? Not really, the foundation is too weak.

Kessel is the icing, not the cake, so really, unless they could be very sure that he will resign for reasonable dollars, and they can be fairly sure they will get seriously good players to play with him, he should be traded. He would be a real asset to a good team, but what he brings is wasted both for himself and a team that is still a long way off.

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Is there anyone in the Media that Leaf Homers like?

If its not Cherry its Healy its Hughson the CBC is against the Leafs or its Cox and Simmons - McCown + Dreger + Sid ... everyone's against the leafs - everyones a troll

Do you people realize how stupid you look/sound. Get a grip. Go watch LeafTV if you want sunshine blown up your *****.
Everyone say I am crazy. But what do they know, they just say so because they want to steal my soul and ride off on my unicorn.

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Kessel is one dimensional.
He is soft, rarely hits anyone and avoids contact often to the detriment of the play.
He doesn't play in the tough areas
He is not a leader
He is not very good at making space for himself
He is not a a very good play maker
He will never be more than what he is, he doesn't have the personality for it.
His fate will soon be in his hands, the leafs will lose control.
He scored a lot of goals in a all offense first system, that system is gone.
He is a very good goal scorer, are the leafs in a position to take advantage of what he brings? Not really, the foundation is too weak.

Kessel is the icing, not the cake, so really, unless they could be very sure that he will resign for reasonable dollars, and they can be fairly sure they will get seriously good players to play with him, he should be traded. He would be a real asset to a good team, but what he brings is wasted both for himself and a team that is still a long way off.
spot on

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01-28-2013, 03:18 PM
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This is Marlies.
I'm a girl but I'm not stupid...

I am not saying the Leafs would ice that line-up. I clearly stated that at TRAINING CAMP they would head in with a solid group of players 25 or under. That was a depth chart by position...

But thanks for the heads up.

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Not surprised in the least that all the realists also love Cox.
Too predictable.

No one on this Team is untouchable but the return has to make sense. Moving Kessel for picks doesn't make sense.

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01-28-2013, 03:20 PM
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The Hockey Central @ Noon panel discusses Phil Kessel's long-term future in Toronto beginning at around the 16:00 mark:

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fan59...8---Monday.mp3

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The Hockey Central @ Noon panel thinks that:

- Phil Kessel won't re-sign with Toronto

- Phil Kessel is a complimentary player on a good contending team rather than a cornerstone player

- The Maple Leafs should trade away Phil Kessel as soon as possible since he has only 1.5 years left on his contract

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01-28-2013, 03:22 PM
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I'm a girl but I'm not stupid...

I am not saying the Leafs would ice that line-up. I clearly stated that at TRAINING CAMP they would head in with a solid group of players 25 or under. That was a depth chart by position...

But thanks for the heads up.
All I am saying that of this is our team in 2 years, I rather shoot myself right now.

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01-28-2013, 03:23 PM
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The heart of the matter is: would you be willing to give Kessel 6.5+?

If not, then he needs to go. Preferably this season while he's still got a year left and he wouldn't be considered a rental.

Personally, I would not give a player like Phil Kessel over 6.5 million long-term. That's the kind of money that should be reserved for players with leadership roles who can impact games in multiple different ways.

To say he's one-dimensional is false. He's equally adept at scoring goals and making plays. He is, however, pure offense and lacks any sort of defensive awareness, and worse, doesn't seem overly interested in improving this part of his game.

Is he a leader? Absolutely not. Is he soft? My god, yes.

Would I love to have Kessel as a complimentary scoring winger on my team, absolutely, but that's all that he is. Let's not inflate what kind of player he is based on the fact that we don't anyone better right now.

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I hope he scores a hatty tomorrow and shuts you all up.
I hope he walks, and shuts you all up.

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I hope he walks, and shuts you all up.
Odd thing for a Leaf fan to say.

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The heart of the matter is: would you be willing to give Kessel 6.5+?

If not, then he needs to go. Preferably this season while he's still got a year left and he wouldn't be considered a rental.

Personally, I would not give a player like Phil Kessel over 6.5 million long-term. That's the kind of money that should be reserved for players with leadership roles who can impact games in multiple different ways.

To say he's one-dimensional is false. He's equally adept at scoring goals and making plays. He is, however, pure offense and lacks any sort of defensive awareness, and worse, doesn't seem overly interested in improving this part of his game.

Is he a leader? Absolutely not. Is he soft? My god, yes.

Would I love to have Kessel as a complimentary scoring winger on my team, absolutely, but that's all that he is. Let's not inflate what kind of player he is based on the fact that we don't anyone better right now.
Well when you look at it from the perspective of paying for a PPG player, $6.5 seems more than fair. Now that is of course assuming Kessel can maintain that (or possibly even improve upon it with more of a supporting cast around him).

To me the real question is how can the Leafs build the supporting cast around him? If they can't and he wants to leave, trade might be the only option remaining.

However, trading him seems more like a one step forward, two steps backward type of deal. Phil Kessel is an integral part of a competitive team but he is not and never should be the ONLY star power a competitive team has.

Phil Kessel is NOT the problem. The problem is the team still needs major pieces around him. How do you get those pieces? I have no idea. But there you have it.

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I hope he walks, and shuts you all up.
The hour Phil Kessel walks for nothing is the darkest hour in recent Leaf memory.

Don't even say that.

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the hockey central @ noon panel discusses phil kessel's long-term future in toronto beginning at around the 16:00 mark:

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fan59...8---monday.mp3
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The Hockey Central @ Noon panel discusses Phil Kessel's long-term future in Toronto beginning at around the 16:00 mark:

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/fan59...8---Monday.mp3
Some real good analysis and quotes:

"Too many guys that are closer to third line kind of guys than closer to first line kind of guys.....and on defence it's the same thing"

"Leafs fans may not want to hear it but honestly you should just let nature take its course with your lineup and start thinking about "Who am I going to draft in the first round?" "

"You know how you start rebuilding the Toronto Maple Leafs? Go get Nathan MacKinnon."

"I'd move them both (Dion and Kessel). It's a reset."

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So despite Kessel playing his best 2 way play as a Leaf so far, Cox thinks Kessel is not conditioned properly, is expendable

He thinks the team is "struggling" (in the first 5 games of the season) and needs to "reset"

Reset what Cox? Its not a computer, there's no restart button.

Damien Cox continues to write articles to get knee jerk reactions out of people because he can't retain information for more than a week (probably a lack of insulation coming from the top of that chromed mr clean head of his)

Damien Cox knows as much about hockey as a dim-witted 4 year old knows about not staring into the sun for extended periods of time

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f u can extend him two years at 5 million i say do it .....but a 6-7 million ...he just too many goaless droughts ////i think this article makes sense ,and if burke stayed here it wouldnt even be open for discussion .....u cant get seguin straight up for kessel right now ,i doubt columbus would give u their no 1 for him ,,,so before we trash cox ,look at the whole picture ,im sure nonis is....it wont be lon g we ll be 6-8 pointsoutta a playoff spot ,that my feinds is very hard to make up in a short season .....

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