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01-27-2013, 08:51 PM
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Yep its a real problem trying to sort out what to do with a 25 year old 4 year in a row 30 goal scorer.

Probably trade him for draft picks that hopefully develop into a young 30 goal sco....
If there was no CBA, and the Leafs could use their bags of money like the old Quinn days, Kessel is no problem, but this is the new world of NHL cap allocations and impending UFA's.

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Carter got Voracek + top 10 pick
Carter got J. Johnson + late 1st round pick

Carter has a great contract, but he was in a slump when dealt both times, Kessel being younger with better numbers should get an upgrade on that.

Stud Prospect + 1st

imo something like Hamilton + 1st would be sick.

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01-27-2013, 08:54 PM
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I wouldn't care who we got back (exception of a few) it'd be hard to part with kessel. Im optimistic and I believe he's here to stay. There is no way his two way play this year and his ppg season last year makes his mil's any less than they are now...if anything it increases and there should be absolutely no debating that.

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Forgetting about whether they should trade him or not, I'm wondering what he might realistically be worth on the open market (purely out of curiosity).

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Carter got Voracek + top 10 pick
Carter got J. Johnson + late 1st round pick


Carter has a great contract, but he was in a slump when dealt both times, Kessel being younger with better numbers should get an upgrade on that.

Stud Prospect + 1st

imo something like Hamilton + 1st would be sick.
Good point. Johnson and that 1st really were overpaid for Carter who played horrendously in CBJ.

Pure speculation here... but maybe Kessel for a future top line forward and a top 15 1st rounder.

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Good point. Johnson and that 1st really were overpaid for Carter who played horrendously in CBJ.

Pure speculation here... but maybe Kessel for a future top line forward and a top 15 1st rounder.
With the upcoming contract and the projection of the team, I'd be down for a Carter-like trade.

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I like Kessel, but he can't be the main guy. Need that #1C.

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If Nonis has talked to Kessel's agent and feels like Kessel will not re-sign next year, you have to trade him and maximize the return, which means dealing him this year. I love Kessel, and like the heart he has been showing so far this season. But, assets are assets, and he may have to be dealt.

I read an interesting proposal on Twitter (I know, I know), but I would consider it:

To St. Louis

Kessel

To Toronto:

Ty Rattie
Jaden Schwartz
2nd round pick

I'd definitely consider it if word comes that Kessel is not planning on coming back. This trade would make St. Louis even more of a beast, and gives us two young scorers (I love love love Schwartz) and a pretty high pick. If that pick was a 1st I'd most certainly pull the trigger.

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01-27-2013, 09:12 PM
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If Nonis has talked to Kessel's agent and feels like Kessel will not re-sign next year, you have to trade him and maximize the return, which means dealing him this year. I love Kessel, and like the heart he has been showing so far this season. But, assets are assets, and he may have to be dealt.

I read an interesting proposal on Twitter (I know, I know), but I would consider it:

To St. Louis

Kessel

To Toronto:

Ty Rattie
Jaden Schwartz
2nd round pick


I'd definitely consider it if word comes that Kessel is not planning on coming back. This trade would make St. Louis even more of a beast, and gives us two young scorers (I love love love Schwartz) and a pretty high pick. If that pick was a 1st I'd most certainly pull the trigger.

Tarasenko
1st round pick

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If Nonis has talked to Kessel's agent and feels like Kessel will not re-sign next year, you have to trade him and maximize the return, which means dealing him this year. I love Kessel, and like the heart he has been showing so far this season. But, assets are assets, and he may have to be dealt.

I read an interesting proposal on Twitter (I know, I know), but I would consider it:

To St. Louis

Kessel

To Toronto:

Ty Rattie
Jaden Schwartz
2nd round pick

I'd definitely consider it if word comes that Kessel is not planning on coming back. This trade would make St. Louis even more of a beast, and gives us two young scorers (I love love love Schwartz) and a pretty high pick. If that pick was a 1st I'd most certainly pull the trigger.
I'd want a 1st anyway from a good team. It'll be a 25-30 as opposed to a 55-60

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Cox is an idiot....and so it would appear are you...DERP!!!

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Trade him to L.A for Mike Richards straight up! L.A gets a great scorer put him on the first line and you get Brown-Kopitar-Kessel. That's pretty good. Toronto will get back a 1#C who is captain material and would be a great face for a great hockey city and you can build around this guy. I would hate to see Kessel leave but why not aim for something like that? Or spend the money on ufa's like Getzlaf (hopefully he is one) it will keep his attention and go from there. But this is me dreaming big.

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01-27-2013, 09:20 PM
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If Nonis has talked to Kessel's agent and feels like Kessel will not re-sign next year, you have to trade him and maximize the return, which means dealing him this year. I love Kessel, and like the heart he has been showing so far this season. But, assets are assets, and he may have to be dealt.

I read an interesting proposal on Twitter (I know, I know), but I would consider it:

To St. Louis

Kessel

To Toronto:

Ty Rattie
Jaden Schwartz
2nd round pick

I'd definitely consider it if word comes that Kessel is not planning on coming back. This trade would make St. Louis even more of a beast, and gives us two young scorers (I love love love Schwartz) and a pretty high pick. If that pick was a 1st I'd most certainly pull the trigger.
Hopefully there is a market for Kessel, Nonis then can at least look at offers and deal, the killer here could be Perry if he is moved, that would kill the market, most would take Perry and Nonis will be fielding bridesmaid offers.

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Hopefuly nonis is smart on this


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if Isle end up with the 2nd to 5th pick

ny 1st + filler for kessel

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Tarasenko
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I wouldn't want the phone to be slammed on my ear...

If you want Tarasenko, you'd probably have to concede the 1st.
Also, I'm pretty sure St. Louis would NEVER let him go for a guy like Kessel.

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01-27-2013, 09:21 PM
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if Isle end up with the 2nd to 5th pick

ny 1st + filler for kessel
Neidereiter + 1st + 3rd

for

Kessel

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He's right. It's not to blame Kessel, he's an elite scorer and a good player. But he's not someone you build around. The timing of that trade couldn't have been worse. That being said, again, it's not Kessel's fault. I think he takes the brunt of it because he's their go to guy. I think the same could be said for Phaneuf.

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Neidereiter + 1st + 3rd

for

Kessel
yeah thats pretty damn solid

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I wouldn't want the phone to be slammed on my ear...

If you want Tarasenko, you'd probably have to concede the 1st.
Also, I'm pretty sure St. Louis would NEVER let him go for a guy like Kessel.
Exactly. Taraseno is a keeper.

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Tarasenko
1st round pick
I'd do Kessel straight up.

Draft Nichuskin.

Tarasenko-Kadri-Nichuskin would be a beauty future line. Physical presence, some grit, and some swag lol

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First of all why would you pay Kessel a one dimensial player a 6 or 7 mil $ deal.
Second, he is not going to want to stick around if the Leafs decide to miss the playoffs for the next two or three years to rebuild, he is going to want to go somewhere else and win. So yeah they probably will have to move him.

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I wouldn't want the phone to be slammed on my ear...

If you want Tarasenko, you'd probably have to concede the 1st.
Also, I'm pretty sure St. Louis would NEVER let him go for a guy like Kessel.
If they added kessel right away they'd win the cup. They are contenders now anyway.

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If they added kessel right away they'd win the cup. They are contenders now anyway.
Tarasenko is a rookie, and could be the better all-around player in the end. So much potential in this kid that it's silly.

I don't even know if they would do that deal straight up, let alone add a 1st.

Tarasenko is one of my favourite prospects though. I really like the Blues, and they way they play hockey. Fun team to watch.

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Cox made a lot of good points. If anything, you definitely have to consider your options.

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