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01-27-2013, 09:37 PM
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Not only would i rather have a #1 centre to build around than Kessel after reading what Chara is saying about Dougie Hamilton i just wanna get rid of Kessel and clear out the memory of a horrible trade by Burke...

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BOSTON - Four games into his young NHL career, Dougie Hamilton peered up into the stands of TD Garden and heard more than 17,000 people chanting his name.

“Dougie, Dougie ...” they shouted during the late stages of the Boston Bruins 4-2 victory over the New York Islanders on Friday.

The kid had best get used to it. According to Bruins captain Zdeno Chara, many more accolades are in store for the young defenceman.

“He’s very willing to learn,” Chara told the Toronto Sun. “He’s got all the tools to develop into a Norris Trophy candidate.”

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01-27-2013, 09:42 PM
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The Leafs look bad in two games and the knives come out.

Who says Kessel needs to be the face of the franchise? They could draft a franchise player this June or sign a star or two as a UFA.

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The Leafs look bad in two games and the knives come out.
It's not just two games. This is going back many seasons now.

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The Leafs look bad in two games and the knives come out.

Who says Kessel needs to be the face of the franchise? They could draft a franchise player this June or sign a star or two as a UFA.
So then do you want to pay Kessel more money to have less of a role?

That's the question.

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01-27-2013, 09:45 PM
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It drives crazy Kessel is the poster boy for bad defense yet those young "Stars" in Edmonton are so horrific defensively and no one says anything.

Everything is so overblown in this city.

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The Leafs look bad in two games and the knives come out.

Who says Kessel needs to be the face of the franchise? They could draft a franchise player this June or sign a star or two as a UFA.
News Flash: There's a bit of a problem with that theory a lot of players don't want to play in Toronto.

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01-27-2013, 09:46 PM
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So then do you want to pay Kessel more money to have less of a role?

That's the question.
It's not a lesser role. He can do the same even if we add a better player.

I have no problem re-signing him.

If Kessel is not worth the money, why the hell was Lupul re-signed a week ago?

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01-27-2013, 09:48 PM
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Kessel is a fantastic player. He has dynamic, game-breaking talent and can pot goals like few in the league.

On a good team, Kessel fits into your line-up as the second, or ideally, third best forward. Just as you don't really want Alex Semin or Thomas Vanek as the best forward on your team, the same goes for Kessel.

That said, just because Kessel isn't your ideal number one guy, doesn't mean you don't keep him on the team to build around.

It's harder to add 100% of a top line than 66%.

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News Flash: There's a bit of a problem with that theory a lot of players don't want to play in Toronto.
I see this posted all the time. Where does this come from? Toronto hasn't even been offering top UFA's contracts. The only one was Richards and it was the worst financial offer he received.

Minnesota just signed the two biggest UFA's. They had 1 point more than the Leafs last season.

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Kessel is a fantastic player. He has dynamic, game-breaking talent and can pot goals like few in the league.

On a good team, Kessel fits into your line-up as the second, or ideally, third best forward. Just as you don't really want Alex Semin or Thomas Vanek as the best forward on your team, the same goes for Kessel.

That said, just because Kessel isn't your ideal number one guy, doesn't mean you don't keep him on the team to build around.

It's harder to add 100% of a top line than 66%.
Great post. Kessel doesn't need to be the guy you "Build Around" to re-sign him.

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01-27-2013, 09:51 PM
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It's not a lesser role. He can do the same even if we add a better player.

I have no problem re-signing him.

If Kessel is not worth the money, why the hell was Lupul re-signed a week ago?
That's a different question, but I think paying Lupul and Kessel >12mil is a mistake.

I don't think Grabo or Lupul should have got long term deals.

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It drives crazy Kessel is the poster boy for bad defense yet those young "Stars" in Edmonton are so horrific defensively and no one says anything.

Everything is so overblown in this city.
Edmonton has also been tanking for the last 6 years. You cannot compare the Leafs to the Oilers whatsoever... the fans were never let on.

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I see this posted all the time. Where does this come from? Toronto hasn't even been offering top UFA's contracts. The only one was Richards and it was the worst financial offer he received.

Minnesota just signed the two biggest UFA's. They had 1 point more than the Leafs last season.
Scroll down the main page dude and read what Dougie Hamilton just said about being happy he's not playing in Toronto and if you think the vibe isn't out there amongst players that playing in Toronto is tough your out of touch with reality.

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Edmonton has also been tanking for the last 6 years. You cannot compare the Leafs to the Oilers whatsoever... they were never let on.
What does that have to do with my point?

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This summer, Nonis has to spend a good amount of time talking to Kessel (or at least his agent), and gauge how likely we are to be able to re-sign him. If it looks like he has one foot out the door, then we absolutely have to trade him, ideally in the offseason, since he'll have way less value at the following trade deadline. If it looks likely that he WILL re-sign, then we should keep him, simple as that really. He's not worth close to what we gave up to get him (Seguin, Hamilton and Knight), but he's very talented offensively and a good 1st line winger, and we likely wouldn't get fair value back for him in a trade. As talented as he is offensively, his total lack of physicality and weak defensive game means teams probably won't be breaking the bank for Kessel with 1 year left on his deal, I feel like the return for Kessel would be a bit disappointing. He's not someone we should trade unless we absolutely have to (i.e. unless we're convinced he'll leave for nothing as a UFA).
after july 1 kessel has a ntc, so we keep him if he does not sign we lose him for nothing.
we need to know before the trade deadline this year ,if he is going to sign next year.

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Scroll down the main page dude and read what Dougie Hamilton just said about he's happy he's not playing in Toronto and if you think the vibe isn't out there amongst players that playing in Toronto is tough your out of touch with reality.
That's laughable. If Dougie played here he'd love it and be raving about it.

That's like how Mike Cammelaeri said he was happy to sign with the Habs and wasn't sure he'd want to play in the same city (Toronto) he lived in the offseason. That was quoted everywhere yet on July first, Cammeleri met with Burke first to play in Toronto.

You want better proof than "Dougie's" comments? 5 Veteran UFA's refused a shot at a cup to stay on a losuing team (Sundin, Kubina, Mccabe, Tucker, Kaberle). That's never happened in sports history.

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What does that have to do with my point?
There are no expectations, they're expected to make mistakes, there's a learning curve.. the team isn't banking on making the playoffs this year. They're asking their fans for patience. They have 4 cornerstones, who are under 23 years old? If they went out and dealt Hall for a goalie and a defence man, then they would be making a statement ie. the Leafs

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That's a different question, but I think paying Lupul and Kessel >12mil is a mistake.

I don't think Grabo or Lupul should have got long term deals.
You have to re-sign someone. You can't let them all leave when they're due raises. we're the richest organization.

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There are no expectations... the team isn't banking on making the playoffs this year. They're asking their fans for patience. They have 4 cornerstones, who are under 23 years old? If they went out and dealt Hall for a goalie and a defence man, then they would be making a statement ie. the Leafs
There's no expectations in Toronto this year. What team are you following?

And many teams have had nice cornerstones but don't achieve what is expected.

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You have to re-sign someone. You can't let them all leave when they're due raises. we're the richest organization.
Who cares about the richest organization in a cap environment?

You need value to win the cup, and I fail to see any "value deals" with Lupul, Grabo, Phaneuf, and a Kessel making 6.5+.

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That's laughable. If Dougie played here he'd love it and be raving about it.
Talk about being in denial!

Cammo and his agent only used the fat blowhard Burke as leverage he did not want to play in Toronto just as he said.

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Who cares about the richest organization in a cap environment?

You need value to win the cup, and I fail to see any "value deals" with Lupul, Grabo and a Kessel making 6.5+
So just let everyone leave? Grabo is a really good hockey player.

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Great post. Kessel doesn't need to be the guy you "Build Around" to re-sign him.
If you're paying he guy 7 million a year, then yeah you're building around him.

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Talk about being in denial!

Camo and his agent only used the fat blowhard Burke as leverage he did not want to play in Toronto just as he said.
He actually stated 2 years after that he'd like to have played in Toronto.

Gainey offered Cam more money. End of story.

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Shut up, Cox.

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