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01-27-2013, 10:00 PM
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If you're paying he guy 7 million a year, then yeah you're building around him.
Is Buffalo building around Vanek?

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This fan base needs a media fast.

The confusion and vitriol...repulsive.

And it doesn't need to be this way.

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So just let everyone leave? Grabo is a really good hockey player.
I don't know, pay him less or let him walk?

Without the results, I'd be more in favour of waiting for value as opposed to "overpaying" a losing roster.

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01-27-2013, 10:01 PM
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Is Buffalo building around Vanek?
Extremely unique circumstances, and I think they'd take that back in a heartbeat.

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With Philly off to a slow start, and us looking like we will be at the bottom again, I really hope Holmgren goes big and offers Nonis Couturier + Simmonds for Kessel + Bozak. Kessel and Giroux would be a dynamic combination, that package would definitely grab Nonis's attention and probably even sway him to say yes.

Simmonds and Couts would give us two big body forwards that are young and would change the make up of the team.

Sure this team would probably bottom out, but we take a run at picking up one of the top forwards or Jones this summer and add another core player that way. Then try and offer Perry 8.5 mil for 5 years to replace Kessel.

Then roll with top 9 of:

JvR-Couts-Perry
Lupol-Kadri-Simmonds
Kuli-Grabo-Frattin

Top 4 of:

Rielly-Phaneuf
Gard-Jones

Talk about a new look team.

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Extremely unique circumstances, and I think they'd take that back in a heartbeat.
Given how Edmonton drafted perhaps. But they aren't building around him yet he's a star for them.

Edmonton is res-signing guys to big money deals that aren't going to be the #1 guy for them. If they're very talented, you keep them.

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01-27-2013, 10:03 PM
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There's no expectations in Toronto this year. What team are you following?

And many teams have had nice cornerstones but don't achieve what is expected.
There are always expectations in Toronto, what city do you live in. You don't make a trade like that unless you're making a statement and Burke said himself that he didn't want a full rebuild. You're willing to pay this guy 7 mill a year? If he reups for the same price tag as Lupul, Thata a different story but I don't see that happening. If you get a great package, where someone is desperate ie Burke, then you pull the trigger...

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01-27-2013, 10:04 PM
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Is Buffalo building around Vanek?
That was a unique case. They got totally 3@#@#@#@ by a rogue GM. They had no choice really but to give it to him.

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There are always expectations in Toronto, what city do you live in. You don't make a trade like that unless you're making a statement and Burke said himself that he didn't want a full rebuild. You're willing to pay this guy 7 mill a year? If he reups for the same price tag as Lupul, Thata a different story but I don't see that happening. If you get a great package, where someone is desperate ie Burke, then you pull the trigger...
The trade was 3 and a half years ago with a different Gm. I fail to see any expectations this season.

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Is Buffalo building around Vanek?
What did they give Leino again for his 25pts? 4 or 5 mill?

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The trade was 3 and a half years ago with a different Gm. I fail to see any expectations this season.
You're telling me that by giving away 2 firsts and a 2nd he wasn't making a statement and there aren't expectations year after year in this city?

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01-27-2013, 10:10 PM
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You're telling me that by giving away 2 firsts and a 2nd he wasn't making a statement and there aren't expectations year after year in this city?
I'm telling you that after 3 and a half years passing, and with Burke fired and new ownership saying Nonis does not need to make the playoffs AND everyone predicting disaster this season there are no expectations.

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What did they give Leino again for his 25pts? 4 or 5 mill?
They had to waste some money to make up for losing Connolly.

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I'm telling you that after 3 and a half years passing, and with Burke fired and new ownership saying Nonis does not need to make the playoffs AND everyone predicting disaster this season there are no expectations.
Right... that's why we hear about Luongo every second day? Whether a rumor or fans talking about it... the day the Leafs blow it up or come out and say they're in rebuild mode, is the day there are 0 expectations...

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01-27-2013, 10:19 PM
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Right... that's why we hear about Luongo every second day? Whether a rumor or fans talking about it... the day the Leafs blow it up or come out and say they're in rebuild mode, is the day there are 0 expectations...
That's our media trying to drum up business.

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01-27-2013, 10:24 PM
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That's our media trying to drum up business.
I don't think reputable sources such as Dregger or McKenzie go out on a limb to get a couple more twitter followers.

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It drives crazy Kessel is the poster boy for bad defense yet those young "Stars" in Edmonton are so horrific defensively and no one says anything.
They're seven-year vets?

And lol at no one saying anything.

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01-27-2013, 10:31 PM
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I've said it since the day he's arrived and I still say it today:

This team will NEVER play a significant game with Phil Kessel on their roster.

I would love to be proven wrong too

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01-27-2013, 10:51 PM
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I think Cox is generally right with this one. Problem is that teams will be hard pressed to give Toronto the pieces they really need for Kessel unless we are 'just' talking picks... who would then have to pan out.

If one could count on Kessel being 'appropriately priced' for more years than just the next, it would be different. But if he wants money he is going to get it in free agency.

Tough situation, because Toronto cannot really lose him for nothing.

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01-27-2013, 11:30 PM
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There is no question that Kessel is not a franchise player but he still is a skilled winger that can score. He is by no means the face of the team.

If he can be moved and yield a great return then go for it.

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01-27-2013, 11:37 PM
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I would like to see a contending team acquire a top10 pick in this draft.

Someone like Minny makes a trade with edmonton or NYI for a 1st, and then trades 2 1sts and a prospect for kessel.

a top10, a 20-30, and a good center prospect would be fine by me for kessel.

If we bottom out we could end up with 2 top10 picks, and a 20-30 to package to move up to select something we like.

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I would like to see a contending team acquire a top10 pick in this draft.

Someone like Minny makes a trade with edmonton or NYI for a 1st, and then trades 2 1sts and a prospect for kessel.

a top10, a 20-30, and a good center prospect would be fine by me for kessel.

If we bottom out we could end up with 2 top10 picks, and a 20-30 to package to move up to select something we like.
For this upcoming draft we need to be in the top 3! Top 10 not good enough, we need one of the top Centers.

Nathan Mackinnon C
Jon Drouin C
Sean Monahan C
Aleksander Barkov C
Elias Lindholm C

Don't forget about Seth Jones as well, but 5 out of the top projected 6 are all Centers, exactly what Toronto needs! Ideally we would want MacKinnon. I would trade Kessel for that 1st overall pick in a flash!

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01-28-2013, 12:07 AM
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Roger Roeper is a classic example of some of the Fringe Leaf Nation that actually believe Kessel is an Elite player. Hint he scores goals and does nothing else. When vet Guys like Recchi and Chara are calling you out as selfish and lazy, the message should hit home. Phil has no desire to be a media darling or a leader or a physical presence on ice or in Dressing room. The history runs deep all the way to world jr days and Jack Johnsons known hate for Kessels compete level.

That Being said and what now stares rational Leaf fans in the face you Trade this known scorer and take the most you can get back. You do not wait till offers become Rich Nash like, you jump now and gain benefit or a higher placing in NHL draft lottery. It is the logical way to go.

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01-28-2013, 12:13 AM
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we have more than enough room to lock up Kessel, but if the right deal comes along (high 1sts/top prospects/young high potential nhlers) I would think about it

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ppg players are hard to come by in this day and age. I'd expect more than a 1st overall pick....
Unproven prospect not even drafted for a proven ppg. Just because you know-it-alls want mackinnon doesn't mean you minimize Kessel's ability. So we should have an already somewhat proven prospect (one whom has shown he can excel in the NHL)

If we can get a top pick though along with our own...
Jones and Drouin/Barkov

2016 Stanley cup winners lol.

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