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01-28-2013, 10:01 AM
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Sign and trade type deal. O'Reilly's priority is to play on the top 2 lines. Anisimov, Dubinsky and Johnson all seem to be doing well in Columbus.

Colorado receives:
Ryan Johansen
Tim Erixon

Columbus receives:
Ryan O'Reilly with an agreed upon contract
for example: 5 years 22M (4.4 cap hit, burns 1 UFA year)

2nd round draft pick (5 picks in a loaded top 60)
Good deal. I love the idea to see Johansen with avs uniform !

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01-28-2013, 10:13 AM
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You're just saying this because you think Johansen and Erixon will reach their full potential.
Um, yeah. That'd be exactly why.

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There is a high chance that they will, but it's hard for us to trade an already proven player for prospects (especially for a player that was already traded twice).
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That said I think Avs would do this and Columbus passes.
Don't know about the former but am pretty certain of the latter.

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01-28-2013, 10:36 AM
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The kid probably doesn't know who these players even are.


You're just saying this because you think Johansen and Erixon will reach their full potential. There is a high chance that they will, but it's hard for us to trade an already proven player for prospects (especially for a player that was already traded twice). That said I think Avs would do this and Columbus passes.
Not saying Johansen or Erixon are not good but O'Reilly is the only one in that trade proposal that prooved something. Will Johansen be a 1C or 2C in the future, i hope so, samething for Erixon.

But to receive a player like O'Reilly, a player that brings more than his stats are showing, you need to pay.

Remember when Glen Sather gave a huge contract to Drury. Avs fans see in O'Reilly what Sather was seeing in Drury. You win with a kid like that.

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01-28-2013, 10:41 AM
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I had proposed a Johansen O'Reilly deal earlier, but the more I think about it the less sense it makes.

This is a shortened season. O'Reilly wouldn't have to sit out very long to get to the offseason.

What Columbus would need is O'Reilly to be signed to less than $5 mill per year for 4+ years. If Colorado could do that, O'Reilly wouldn't be traded.

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01-28-2013, 10:44 AM
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What Columbus would need is O'Reilly to be signed to less than $5 mill per year for 4+ years. If Colorado could do that, O'Reilly wouldn't be traded.
I don't think that's true. I think the Avs might be offering less than most think.

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01-28-2013, 10:58 AM
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Could any deal around Jack Johnson and Brassard be worked.

Maybe like ROR and Wilson as a starting point.

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01-28-2013, 11:12 AM
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Could any deal around Jack Johnson and Brassard be worked.

Maybe like ROR and Wilson as a starting point.
JJ is not worth O'Reilly straight up IMO, but I don't think CBJ would give up JJ straight up for O'Reilly either, and definitely wouldn't add Brassard.

I would personally make that trade but can't see it happening.

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01-28-2013, 11:19 AM
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Could any deal around Jack Johnson and Brassard be worked.

Maybe like ROR and Wilson as a starting point.
The Jackets would do Brassard for O'Reilly straight up, but the Avs wouldn't. Johnson isn't going anywhere, he is a minute eating top 4 defender.

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01-28-2013, 11:26 AM
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JJ is not worth O'Reilly straight up IMO, but I don't think CBJ would give up JJ straight up for O'Reilly either, and definitely wouldn't add Brassard.

I would personally make that trade but can't see it happening.
I see both teams as getting an upgrade and a downgrade in each the center and defensive positions.

ROR is an upgrade at C for columbus over brassard but wilson is a downgrade from JJ.

Whether there needs to be some extra piece involved, im not sure, but considering you dont think either team would want to, it probably means the value is there.

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01-28-2013, 11:32 AM
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The Jackets would do Brassard for O'Reilly straight up, but the Avs wouldn't. Johnson isn't going anywhere, he is a minute eating top 4 defender.
There has to be an understanding that ROR has more value than Brassard.

And i wouldnt dog wilson too much. He can chip away offensively and can log 20 minutes a night.

It may be worth it to upgrade the center position for columbus because at least, there is a offensive dman still there in Wiz.

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01-28-2013, 12:11 PM
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There has to be an understanding that ROR has more value than Brassard.

And i wouldnt dog wilson too much. He can chip away offensively and can log 20 minutes a night.

It may be worth it to upgrade the center position for columbus because at least, there is a offensive dman still there in Wiz.
Have no problem admitting that RoR has more value. He just doesn't have Brassard-Johnson value.

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01-28-2013, 12:13 PM
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I don't see Johansen being moved, unless it's for someone who's currently at the level that he's projected to end up at.

And that's not Ryan O'Reilly.

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Could any deal around Jack Johnson and Brassard be worked.

Maybe like ROR and Wilson as a starting point.
Doubtful. JJ is likely untouchable.

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01-28-2013, 12:21 PM
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Have no problem admitting that RoR has more value. He just doesn't have Brassard-Johnson value.
It wasnt just ROR. It was ROR + Wilson and a pick if necessary.

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01-28-2013, 12:32 PM
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How about Brassard + prospect + pick for signed ROR

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01-28-2013, 02:32 PM
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Would love to have O'Reilly on the CBJ but not at the expense of Johansen. Johansen has been a completely different player through the first few games and shows signs of tremendous hockey IQ and skills. He's only 20 and has the potential to be a better player than O'Reilly. If a deal could be worked out without Johansen it would be a great pickup for Columbus. I just don't see these teams swapping those two players and certainly not having the fan bases agree.

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01-28-2013, 09:29 PM
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Nikitin would be interesting.
Nikitin would be completely out of the question.

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I also like Brassard, Foligno and Umberger.
We can't really afford to give up wingers for more centers right now, so Foligno and Umberger are not going to be available.

We could potentially have a conversation about Brassard.


And the OP's suggestion of Johansen+Erixon is completely crazy. I'd frankly hesitate at that if he'd already established himself as regularly producing at the level of last year, as opposed to "one year, with future years looking extremely likely".

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01-28-2013, 09:34 PM
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We can't really afford to give up wingers for more centers right now, so Foligno and Umberger are not going to be available.

We could potentially have a conversation about Brassard.


And the OP's suggestion of Johansen+Erixon is completely crazy. I'd frankly hesitate at that if he'd already established himself as regularly producing at the level of last year, as opposed to "one year, with future years looking extremely likely".
If you had the chance to turn Foligno or Brassard into O'Reilly, that's an absolute no-brainer for the Jackets.

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01-28-2013, 10:05 PM
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There has to be an understanding that ROR has more value than Brassard.

And i wouldnt dog wilson too much. He can chip away offensively and can log 20 minutes a night.

It may be worth it to upgrade the center position for columbus because at least, there is a offensive dman still there in Wiz.
right now Brassard has more value...signed to a decent contract for a 2C and playing vs...well where ROR is...if he isn't signing with COL then his value in th market declines significantly...

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I don't see Johansen being moved, unless it's for someone who's currently at the level that he's projected to end up at.

And that's not Ryan O'Reilly.
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01-28-2013, 10:06 PM
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If you had the chance to turn Foligno or Brassard into O'Reilly, that's an absolute no-brainer for the Jackets.
Foligno has been one of our better forwards...at this point i'm not moving him until i understand more of what i have in him...

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Brassard for O'Reilly

yep I'd do that. Foligno, we need to get him some ice time here to see how he works out. Duchene? Joey should be here for many years but I would part with him + for Duchene.

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Foligno has been one of our better forwards...at this point i'm not moving him until i understand more of what i have in him...
Honestly, I think he's looked like garbage. He has exciting moments, but his general play has been lackluster. And let's be honest, it's all relative. One of Columbus's best forwards means almost nothing. I've been impressed by Johansen and intermittently by Anisimov. Other than that...

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Honestly, I think he's looked like garbage. He has exciting moments, but his general play has been lackluster. And let's be honest, it's all relative. One of Columbus's best forwards means almost nothing. I've been impressed by Johansen and intermittently by Anisimov. Other than that...
You want Umberger. You don't need to say it, I just know...

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Honestly, I think he's looked like garbage. He has exciting moments, but his general play has been lackluster. And let's be honest, it's all relative. One of Columbus's best forwards means almost nothing. I've been impressed by Johansen and intermittently by Anisimov. Other than that...
we're watching two different games then...especially tonight...he was extremely valuable in securing the win...

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yep I'd do that. Foligno, we need to get him some ice time here to see how he works out. Duchene? Joey should be here for many years but I would part with him + for Duchene.
Of course you would.

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