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Phil Kessel to WEST CONF (top prospect/young player + 1st 2013)

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01-28-2013, 11:11 AM
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... Lack?
Schneider?

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01-28-2013, 11:12 AM
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I think the challenge you're going to have with that is a "non-playoff" first usually belongs to a rebuilding team. Kessel is a UFA in 1.5 years. There's too much risk of Kessel trying to play the UFA market for a rebuilding team to trade their first and a top prospect.

For instance, from Calgary's perspective I'd offer up Baertschi (I know this will be an unpopular decision), a first, and Brodie. The value is there, as Kessel is proven. The fact he is proven adds a lot of value to him that stretches well beyond what any prospect can offer. He has four 30+ goal seasons in a row.

The problem is with the potentialy UFA status, it's too risky. As a team that is potentially rebuilding next year, it makes more sense to wait until free agency and bid on him, potentially getting him for nothing and retaining your future assets. The combination of uncertainty with my own team and uncertainty with Kessel makes me pull any "fair value" offer from the table.
Done.

I am a huge Baertschi fan. I like this offer a lot.

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01-28-2013, 11:14 AM
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Tarasenko is a better player than Kessel right now... just saying.

I am not a Blues homer or a Kessel hater. This is just the truth.
UMMMMM, how do you base this assesment?

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01-28-2013, 11:20 AM
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Done.

I am a huge Baertschi fan. I like this offer a lot.
I would also do this, but it would probably put Feaster out of work.

Kessel won't resign in Calgary.

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01-28-2013, 11:21 AM
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Personally I see the Teams that fit are LA, Minnesota, Colorado & Nashville. With that said, how about these?
Lak: Jeff Carter & Kyle Clifford

Wild: Granlund, Brodin, 1st.

Avs: ROR & Downie

Preds: Wilson, Ellis & a pick.

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01-28-2013, 11:21 AM
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Does it really need to be Western Conference.

Leafs get griffin Reinhardt and isles 1st

Islanders get kessel
Was just about to ask that.

My thinking is that since the Leafs get burned so regularly by one team involved in a Kessel deal, the next one they won't want to play as much.

Kessel's a star winger, but I'm balking at what Dallas would have to pay for him. Don't have the stomach to give up Oleksiak and a 1st. Maybe Alex Chiasson instead, or Jack Campbell.

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01-28-2013, 11:21 AM
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How bout C. Wilson, R. Ellis, and a 1st.
This isn't a bad deal/offer IMO.

Schwartz + 1st from STL
Faska + 1st from Dallas
Jurco + 1st from Detroit
Johannsen + 1st from Columbus
Pavelski + 1st or 2nd from SJ
Phillips or Coyle + 1st from Minnesota

Just throwing **** against a wall to see what sticks

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01-28-2013, 11:22 AM
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Personally I see the Teams that fit are LA, Minnesota, Colorado & Nashville. With that said, how about these?
Lak: Jeff Carter & Kyle Clifford

Wild: Granlund, Brodin, 1st.

Avs: ROR & Downie

Preds: Wilson, Ellis & a pick.
No need for Jeff Carter.

Has to be someone younger than Kessel I'd think

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01-28-2013, 11:26 AM
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This isn't a bad deal/offer IMO.

Schwartz + 1st from STL
Faska + 1st from Dallas
Jurco + 1st from Detroit
Johannsen + 1st from Columbus
Pavelski + 1st or 2nd from SJ
Phillips or Coyle + 1st from Minnesota

Just throwing **** against a wall to see what sticks
I'll do the Columbus one in a heartbeat your looking at two top 5 picks & Ryan Johansen. If you change Jurco to Nyquist and now were in the right area. It's gonna cost a top prospect, a young roster player, and a high pick. Or a really young up and coming guy- say Carolina goes all in, Skinner straight up?

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01-28-2013, 11:28 AM
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That's a bad trade for the Leafs
And I wouldn't do it, as a Preds fan.

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01-28-2013, 11:29 AM
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No need for Jeff Carter.

Has to be someone younger than Kessel I'd think
With a manageable contract and a local kid, Jeff Carter is a guy you can still expect to be a top end guy when the young guys are ready. He's also very underrated defensively

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Done.

I am a huge Baertschi fan. I like this offer a lot.
I don't think you read the whole post....Kessel as a soon to be UFA is not getting a package involving Baertschi. If he was signed for 2 years more, sure, but not now.

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I'll do the Columbus one in a heartbeat your looking at two top 5 picks & Ryan Johansen. If you change Jurco to Nyquist and now were in the right area. It's gonna cost a top prospect, a young roster player, and a high pick. Or a really young up and coming guy- say Carolina goes all in, Skinner straight up?
As a leaf fan I say that carolina says no, we would have to add IMO

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01-28-2013, 11:36 AM
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Kessel + Gunnarsson for Couturier + Simmonds + 1st.

Phaneuf for O'Rielly. (Rielly to O'Rielly back to Rielly to O'Rielly for the O'Goal!)
Totally worth it for half of a shortened season of Kessel.

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01-28-2013, 11:37 AM
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This isn't a bad deal/offer IMO.

Schwartz + 1st from STL
Faska + 1st from Dallas
Jurco + 1st from Detroit
Johannsen + 1st from Columbus
Pavelski + 1st or 2nd from SJ
Phillips or Coyle + 1st from Minnesota

Just throwing **** against a wall to see what sticks
I don't know if they'd bite but that would be mighty tempting. I like Johansen and have high hopes for him. That old Winterhawks line with Niederreiter and Ross was a beauty, i'm a bit surprised they have all struggled to varying degrees so far.
What the heck, might as well get Niederreiter and reunite them.

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01-28-2013, 11:39 AM
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Totally worth it for half of a shortened season of Kessel.
You don't think he'll play next year?

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01-28-2013, 11:50 AM
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If I can think of two teams where he would fit in great, they would be Phoenix and St Louis. Both could come up with great packages to be sent back to the Leafs too.

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This isn't a bad deal/offer IMO.

Schwartz + 1st from STL
Faska + 1st from Dallas
Jurco + 1st from Detroit
Johannsen + 1st from Columbus
Pavelski + 1st or 2nd from SJ
Phillips or Coyle + 1st from Minnesota

Just throwing **** against a wall to see what sticks
The Sharks wouldn't do that since Pavelski is a way better all-around player than Kessel.

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01-28-2013, 11:52 AM
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Gaunce is no better than Ty Biggs.

From Vancouver?

You don't have anything we'd want.


oh that's good

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01-28-2013, 11:53 AM
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They don't need to rebuild

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Jenner + Mason + 1st
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Kessel + Scrivens

Jvr-Mackinnon-Drouin
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
Kulemin-Jenner-Biggs
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why would they move Kessel? He is an elite sniper and very young. Does he want to leave or something?

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01-28-2013, 12:00 PM
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Clowe, Demers, Hertl/1st

Not sure if I would do this as a sharks fan, but is this appropriate value?

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I don't know if they'd bite but that would be mighty tempting. I like Johansen and have high hopes for him. That old Winterhawks line with Niederreiter and Ross was a beauty, i'm a bit surprised they have all struggled to varying degrees so far.
What the heck, might as well get Niederreiter and reunite them.
I wouldn't touch that deal with a forty foot pole

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01-28-2013, 12:02 PM
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why would they move Kessel? He is an elite sniper and very young. Does he want to leave or something?
We'd become to worst team in hockey (hello Jones/Mackinnon) and resigning Kessel for 7+ mill longterm ties us up quite a bit. We're not doing too well cap wise thanks to Burke. (Grabo/Komi/Lupul/Phaneuf/JVR) is a lot of mediocre talent for a lot of money.

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