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01-28-2013, 06:07 PM
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Cliff made that move for Schenn to make a splash...

I always felt we should of stood pat instead of giving up 7th OV + 2nd + 3rd for Schenn at #5... Too much for only 2 spots IMO

Wanted Hodgson or Wilson at #7
Leafs were definitely interested in Hodgson, not sure if it was Cliff's call, Penny's call, whomever was in a suit then, that moved up to get Schenn. The result was a bad one now, however to be fair, drafting by rear view mirror is always easier.

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What we traded afterwards doesn't have an effect on how we drafted.
How do you figure that? We drafted assets which were moved for other assets. We didn't lose anything by making trades.

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01-28-2013, 06:22 PM
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How do you figure that? We drafted assets which were moved for other assets. We didn't lose anything by making trades.
I'm saying that the guys we traded for say NOTHING about the job our staff did on draft day...

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01-28-2013, 06:24 PM
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I'm saying that the guys we traded for say NOTHING about the job our staff did on draft day...
Then shouldn't we evaluate all the players from the draft? Schenn, Hayes and possibly Pateryn are NHL players. Andrew MacWilliam is a pretty good under the radar prospect, much like Frattin was. That's about average for a draft. Stefanovich, Champagne and Rollheiser are busts, but I wouldn't call Flaake a bust just yet. He's actually done quite well this year.

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01-28-2013, 06:25 PM
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Cliff made that move for Schenn to make a splash...

I always felt we should of stood pat instead of giving up 7th OV + 2nd + 3rd for Schenn at #5... Too much for only 2 spots IMO

Wanted Hodgson or Wilson at #7
Cliff made a couple of odd moves with the intent of "making a splash"...that Steen + Coca Cola move to land Stempniack the day before we hired Burke reeked of trying to create a legacy.

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01-28-2013, 06:30 PM
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Then shouldn't we evaluate all the players from the draft? Schenn, Hayes and possibly Pateryn are NHL players. Andrew MacWilliam is a pretty good under the radar prospect, much like Frattin was. That's about average for a draft. Stefanovich, Champagne and Rollheiser are busts, but I wouldn't call Flaake a bust just yet. He's actually done quite well this year.
In Germany?

He's not even property of the franchise anymore.

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01-28-2013, 06:33 PM
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Wasnt high on Hodgson prior to the draft, Gotta admit outside of stamkos, doughty and Pietrangelo (wasnt a huge fan of bogo) Schenn was my favourite player and was soooo stoked we traded up to get him....


That being said Going into the draft I was totally prepaired for us to take Boedker (would have been my pick at 7 if we didnt trade down...... Got alot of viewing time of him during his stint in Kitchener and still think hes poised to breakout with phoenix)

In Hindsite Schenn didnt reach the level of Dman he was touted to be and his rookie season has proven to be his best so far (yet I hope he really comes into his own on a physical team like philly) But we got a possible elite level talent with a long term reasonable contract in JVR so I say we did alrite at the end of the day!

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In Germany?

He's not even property of the franchise anymore.
They told Nicholls they'd keep in touch, I'm sure they did the same with Flaake. Hamburg Freezers and the Leafs have always had a tight relationship.

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01-28-2013, 06:34 PM
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How do you figure that? We drafted assets which were moved for other assets. We didn't lose anything by making trades.
Don't tell him Greg Pateryn a guy we drafted in 08 was traded for Grabovski, he's not having a good couple of days on our board.

Another correction, so while 08 was not a great draft, it did in part get us the 5.5M dollar man, a player I am reminded of here as a great success.

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01-28-2013, 06:36 PM
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Then shouldn't we evaluate all the players from the draft? Schenn, Hayes and possibly Pateryn are NHL players. Andrew MacWilliam is a pretty good under the radar prospect, much like Frattin was. That's about average for a draft. Stefanovich, Champagne and Rollheiser are busts, but I wouldn't call Flaake a bust just yet. He's actually done quite well this year.
If you dont play in the NHL you are a bust. There are a lot of good players, really good actually, who have had tremendous pro careers in Europe and done well for their national teams but who is still considered busts as far as the NHL draft is concerned. Some of my all time favorites are players who was drafted but never played a game or just a few in the NHL. Bust might be the wrong word for it but then again it is also the word that describe their situation the best from a NHL perspective.

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01-28-2013, 06:46 PM
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What "IF" Leafs selected

Tyler Myers
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Erik Karlsson
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Jordan Eberle

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Cliff made a couple of odd moves with the intent of "making a splash"...that Steen + Coca Cola move to land Stempniack the day before we hired Burke reeked of trying to create a legacy.
Cliff, 'draft schamft'. A good trader, and will always forever be thankful for getting us Burns, Sundin, and Gilmour.

However he was never one to place too much stock in the draft while he was here with us.

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01-28-2013, 07:04 PM
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Luke landed us JVR. Jury is still out on whether we "wasted" this pick. Sure, we could have gotten Hodgson, Myers, Karlsson, Eberle but who knew at the time

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01-28-2013, 07:08 PM
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...that Steen + Coca Cola move to land Stempniack the day before we hired Burke reeked of trying to create a legacy.
Close: that move just plain reeked.

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01-28-2013, 07:16 PM
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Steen would ve the PERFECT fit on our 3rd line, behind Grabbo and Bozak (for now)

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01-28-2013, 07:23 PM
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Steen would ve the PERFECT fit on our 3rd line, behind Grabbo and Bozak (for now)
Don't think Steen would be playing behind either of those guys.

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01-28-2013, 07:30 PM
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They got JVR and Ross out of it. How many players should they get out of one draft 8? Be realistic -- teams often pull only one or 2 NHL'ers out of a draft.

The fact they drafted Schenn that was coveted enough for JVR is a good draft.

Name the best drafting team in the NHL and I will show you drafts that they get 1 or 2 players.

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01-28-2013, 07:36 PM
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MacWilliam is a bust? He's got a decent shot at being a career AHLer or even a 6/7 defenseman.

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Not to mention drafting Schenn has netted us JVR ... A little early to be jumping to conclusions on this draft
Here is your answer.....

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Our draft was a complete failure in '08.

What we traded afterwards doesn't have an effect on how we drafted.
We can't say because we drafted Luke Schenn 5th overall in 2008 that, that was the reason we acquired JvR. Who we drafted at a certain spot has no implications on who we trade for down the road.

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01-29-2013, 12:00 PM
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What "IF" Leafs selected

Tyler Myers
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Erik Karlsson
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Jordan Eberle
Looking back at the draft video, I don't think anybody even realized who EK was when they drafted him.

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01-29-2013, 12:19 PM
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Don't think Steen would be playing behind either of those guys.
I think beause of the situation our team is in, he could certainly play up on the 1st line, because of his two-way ability, but he is the prototypical 3rd line center.

Just watching him this year and last, extensively, he's one of the best 3C's in the game.

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01-29-2013, 12:26 PM
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Looking back at the draft video, I don't think anybody even realized who EK was when they drafted him.
The coach of the Swedish U-20 team said he was their most important player and the one he would have picked first overall in that draft. When asked about who was the best between him, OEL and Hedman he quickly said Karlsson without hesitation. Said his vision and hockey IQ was better then anything he had ever seen.

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The coach of the Swedish U-20 team said he was their most important player and the one he would have picked first overall in that draft. When asked about who was the best between him, OEL and Hedman he quickly said Karlsson without hesitation. Said his vision and hockey IQ was better then anything he had ever seen.
I believe him, although I'm not sure if I'd pick him over Stamkos, but now that I have a good scouting report on him I'd pick him over Doughty and Piet. Exceptional player, just nobody really heard of him prior to that draft imo.

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2008 pick Greg Pateryn part of the deal that brought Grabovski to the Leafs. Little fruit?

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2008 pick Greg Pateryn part of the deal that brought Grabovski to the Leafs. Little fruit?
In your words? Expensive, 5.5 million dollar fruit.

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