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02-13-2013, 09:31 PM
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Agree, Jet, err.. Brogosian . One thing is for sure, Pavelec's contract makes me quite uneasy right now.

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Chevy has been good with trades IMO, except for Eric Fehr and maybe Akim Aliu.
Aliu? I'm pretty sure he's peaked as an NHLer. He's not doing much in Abbotsford this year 24GP 1G 3A -4.

Fehr was worth a shot - I don't recall many nay-sayers when the deal went down. Some people here were penciling him in on the 1st or 2nd line! Anyway, the potential was there to easily justify trading away a 4th round pick and an ECHL-level prospect.

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I'd certainly hope the Jets would be willing to add whatever it took (short of top prospects and early round picks) to Postma to get Zibanejad (sp?). Of course, that'd have to be a pure panic move from the Sens and they have no track record of panic trades.

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02-13-2013, 09:47 PM
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Agree, Jet, err.. Brogosian . One thing is for sure, Pavelec's contract makes me quite uneasy right now.
He's a cheap buyout if he doesn't turn it around this season and management loses faith. They better have a good Plan B though - some combination of Montoya/Dex/Pasquale probably doesn't get me to take the tarp off my Cup Parade float...

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02-13-2013, 11:46 PM
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Just went to check the Jets historical transactions, ESPN was the first site that came up so I clicked it...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/transact.../winnipeg-jets

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October 3rd, 2011 - Agreed to terms with C Mark Scheifele on an entry-level contract. Acquired P Jamie Boreham from Saskatchewan for future considerations.

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02-13-2013, 11:57 PM
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Just went to check the Jets historical transactions, ESPN was the first site that came up so I clicked it...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/transact.../winnipeg-jets

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LOL! Having a punter might help the Jets get the puck out of their own end on the PK.

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02-14-2013, 12:49 AM
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Right, because a quarter of the way through the season, without our top 2 D, we are 1 point out of the SE lead and 3rd in the conference.

Totally irrelevant.
Big fan of the Leafs? I ask because in the big picture if you really believe being a bubble team is the way to go with the jets long term , have at it. I on the other hand look at the big picture and when the cap cuts come from other rosters after this season ....there will be value players available. I also want to point out that this draft is one that a team truly wants to cobble as many high end picks as they can.

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Big fan of the Leafs? I ask because in the big picture if you really believe being a bubble team is the way to go with the jets long term , have at it. I on the other hand look at the big picture and when the cap cuts come from other rosters after this season ....there will be value players available. I also want to point out that this draft is one that a team truly wants to cobble as many high end picks as they can.
Leafs: bottom feeding team for years (still are but was riding good goaltending)
Jets: above average team (but riding poor goaltending)

You a fan of Calgary? Because if we don't start making pushes soon we'll become an actual bubble team like them.

Remember our rebuild is when we dove for top5 picks:
*1 year younger than Chicago when they won the cup
*same age as LA when they won the cup

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I honestly have really soured on Pavelec. I don't like his off season antics, but I forgave him... everyone makes mistakes. His atrocious goaltending in Europe concerned me but I figured he was just not inspired playing a lower level. Then he comes to North America and he is certainly not in the kind of shape the Jets want him to be in. I saw him face to face and he is CHUBBY. A big athletic goalie needs to be lanky and fast.

All of that said, I was willing to give him a pass if he performed. He has played well for 60 minutes maybe twice this year. I thought this was the year he needed to prove his worth. I fear that we made a big mistake by signing him to that contract.

I am very open to the idea of exploring possible replacements for him. Of course Pavelec could change my mind but he will have to play at a consistent high level for more than a few games at a time for me to have faith in him as a starter again. He may end up being a highly overpaid backup for us.
If Pavelec happens to tank horribly this year, there is always the option of buying him out. Does anyone know when the deadline is for "lockout buyouts?". I would explore the trade and FA market for an upgrade at the end of the season and then buyout Pavelec if we can find an upgrade. Backstrom, Mike Smith and Jimmy Howard appear to be the top UFA goaltending talents, but they will most likely re-sign.

Just to be clear I haven't given up on Pavelec just yet, but he has not instilled any confidence either. Just exploring possible scenarios for next year to help improve the team in a worst case scenario.

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02-14-2013, 02:18 AM
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If Chevy is really serious about this Poni trade, he needs to go all out and trade Hainsey, Anthropov, Wellwood, Jokinen and yes perhaps even Bryan Little for the right price. Otherwise this Poni trade was pointless, it doesn't help us build for the future to a great extent, hurts us in the short run perhaps enough to miss out on #8 in the east by a few points but not enough to become a lottery team getting a top 3 draft pick.

Out of all the tradable players Hainsey and Little will fetch the highest return. Jokinen should get us atleast a 2nd rounder and a solid prospect. Anthropov should fetch slightly more than Poni if they trade him at the right time. Wellwood, not sure, not much more than a 4th rounder from a team like Phoenix going into the playoffs and desperate for some offence.

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02-14-2013, 02:19 AM
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If Pavelec happens to tank horribly this year, there is always the option of buying him out. Does anyone know when the deadline is for "lockout buyouts?". I would explore the trade and FA market for an upgrade at the end of the season and then buyout Pavelec if we can find an upgrade. Backstrom, Mike Smith and Jimmy Howard appear to be the top UFA goaltending talents, but they will most likely re-sign.

Just to be clear I haven't given up on Pavelec just yet, but he has not instilled any confidence either. Just exploring possible scenarios for next year to help improve the team in a worst case scenario.
1 word. Neuvrith.

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02-14-2013, 02:24 AM
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Keep seeing people suggesting Antropov is not worth much.

Paul Gaustad returned a first round pick. Antropov can easily return a 2nd + 3rd round pick or even a 1st round pick in the right situation. He is a much more valuable player than Gaustad, but the market is not always the same.

Plenty of teams would love to have this guy as their #3 C...

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02-14-2013, 04:08 AM
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Keep seeing people suggesting Antropov is not worth much.

Paul Gaustad returned a first round pick. Antropov can easily return a 2nd + 3rd round pick or even a 1st round pick in the right situation. He is a much more valuable player than Gaustad, but the market is not always the same.

Plenty of teams would love to have this guy as their #3 C...
Yeah, I have no idea how people could bring Ponikarovsky into their estimation of Antropov's value.

Antro is playing averaging 17+ minutes and playing on the PP and PK. He's versatile enough to play C and W. On a team focussed on a puck possession game he can slot in pretty much anywhere in the top 9 hassle free. He's certainly not a top level offensive player anymore, and he is limited by his foot speed. But he is exactly the kind of versatile, low maintenance, defensively aware forward playoff teams are desperate for at the deadline.

I think they'd easily get a 2nd and 3rd for him assuming he keeps up his level of play and stays healthy.

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Karlsson provides a hell of a lot of offense from the backend that the Sens are going to miss, Postma is an offensive specialist (nowhere near the calibre of Karlsson obviously) so I think there's a good fit there.

I don't know the Sens roster all too well but I'm sure there's a deal to be made there and one that Chevy needs to take advantage of.




I don't know if Chevy and Bryan Murray are on speaking terms after what happened at last year's trade deadline.

Murray went public with his displeasure about believing he had an agreement with the JETS to acquire Oduya and then Chevy turned around and dealt him to Chicago.

Perhaps Chevy did agree, but if Chicago comes in at the last minute with a better offer, you don't owe the Senators a thing. They better Chicago's offer or there's no deal, it's that simple.

Just saying that maybe Bryan Murray isn't so forgiving or willing to bury the hatchet just yet.

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What do guys think about trying to acquire Ryan O'Reilly from Avs?

I would trade Burmi and Postma (though Avs might have to throw in a mid-rd pick) to get him. With Johnson out, they may be in the market for a RH dman.

ROR just might be that very good, young #2 C the jets need for next decade. Kid is good on the PK as well and a good leader.

His contract squabble gives me a bit of concern, but his play on the ice doesn't.

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What do guys think about trying to acquire Ryan O'Reilly from Avs?

I would trade Burmi and Postma (though Avs might have to throw in a mid-rd pick) to get him. With Johnson out, they may be in the market for a RH dman.

ROR just might be that very good, young #2 C the jets need for next decade. Kid is good on the PK as well and a good leader.

His contract squabble gives me a bit of concern, but his play on the ice doesn't.
I wonder how much he's asking for. I wouldn't want to give him much more then 4mil over 5yrs. At most 4.5.

As much as I don't want to trade Burmi, I definitely think that ROR is an upgrade. Apparently the 37assists didn't register with me.

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I wonder how much he's asking for. I wouldn't want to give him much more then 4mil over 5yrs. At most 4.5.

As much as I don't want to trade Burmi, I definitely think that ROR is an upgrade. Apparently the 37assists didn't register with me.
He wants north of $5 million per year, apparently.

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You can be pretty sure that Chevy is shopping Hainsey and Postma in Ottawa. I think they would both be a great fit. Maybe picks coming this way? Or throw Bishop/Montoya in there somewhere. I can't see Pavalec being involved in a deal, but it sure wouldn't bother me.

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He wants north of $5 million per year, apparently.
Yea...no thanks. I'd rather let our current centres develop.

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He wants north of $5 million per year, apparently.
Over 5 probably wouldn't happen but for $4.5 for 5-6 years I wouldn't have a problem. The hold up for me would be what can we afford to give up to get him?

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Yea...no thanks. I'd rather let our current centres develop.
We pretty much only have Burmistrov and Scheifele that have any top six potential that are at the developing age. Maybe you could count Lowry but he's still got a little ways to go as well. Co siderig neither are likely to be Top 10 NHL wide at their position, we'll probably need at least three #2 or better centres to even make it out of the first round. Too many centres is the last of our issues to me.

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What do guys think about trying to acquire Ryan O'Reilly from Avs?

I would trade Burmi and Postma (though Avs might have to throw in a mid-rd pick) to get him. With Johnson out, they may be in the market for a RH dman.

ROR just might be that very good, young #2 C the jets need for next decade. Kid is good on the PK as well and a good leader.

His contract squabble gives me a bit of concern, but his play on the ice doesn't.
I would rather deal Little and Postma myself. But I might be higher on Burmi than others. Plus, depending on how the Avs see Little / Burmi, they might give us more for Little (if they wanted a more ready player now).

But basically acquiring ROR for either one of Burmi or Little means that the other (which ever isn't dealt) would have to most likely move to the wing at some point.

Really depends on what you could get him signed for as well. I would be a little concerned with giving him big money based on one year.

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What would you guys were willing to give for Duchene + ROR (who probably will become our #1 and #2 centers) ?

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What would you guys were willing to give for Duchene + ROR (who probably will become our #1 and #2 centers) ?
Wouldn't happen unless you're willing to give up Bogo and Kane. In other words not happening.

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What would you guys were willing to give for Duchene + ROR (who probably will become our #1 and #2 centers) ?
Why would Colorado do that?

Stastny is UFA in a few years.

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