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[MTL] P.K. Subban re-signed (2 years, $2.875M per)

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01-29-2013, 08:46 AM
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Whoa...great signing. Congrats Habs fans.

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01-29-2013, 09:02 AM
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I give this deal zero classless Subbans out of five

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01-29-2013, 09:10 AM
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Excellent cap hit.

Don't like the term though. A guy like this should be locked down for longer than 2 years. Probably had to compromise and Habs chose cap hit over term.

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01-29-2013, 09:20 AM
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Really thankful Bergevin held his ground and didn't give up on this. Subban is a very good Dmen for his age, and has awsome potential...but he has yet to reach it and needs to prove he can bring his game to the next level before hitting the big bucks.

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01-29-2013, 09:26 AM
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Excellent cap hit.

Don't like the term though. A guy like this should be locked down for longer than 2 years. Probably had to compromise and Habs chose cap hit over term.
that's called a bridge contract he will have his long term contract in two years

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01-29-2013, 09:27 AM
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Really thankful Bergevin held his ground and didn't give up on this. Subban is a very good Dmen for his age, and has awsome potential...but he has yet to reach it and needs to prove he can bring his game to the next level before hitting the big bucks.
All the other GMs with important RFA's coming up are thanking him for sure.

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01-29-2013, 10:00 AM
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great deal for the habs...is he still going to be RFA after this 2 years?

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01-29-2013, 10:03 AM
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great deal for the habs...is he still going to be RFA after this 2 years?
yes he will

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01-29-2013, 10:24 AM
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Great deal, way below market value.

From a habs fan perspective, I would imagine they would of wanted a longer term deal.

Right now it looks like

2 yrs deal 2.875 per
then say
5 yr deal 5 per

which is fine, but if you put those two together and just signed Subban for a 7 yr deal

7 yr 4.4 per

You pay the same amount to Subban per year, you just get more of a cap hit these next two years, but instead save cap hit the 5 yrs after that, when MTL will be back to being a playoff team.

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01-29-2013, 10:39 AM
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Subban apparently received offer sheets and told his agent he didn't even want to see them.
Source, please. I haven't heard a word of such, or with other RFAs by the way.

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01-29-2013, 10:44 AM
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Amazing when you consider what MDZ got.

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01-29-2013, 10:47 AM
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Great deal, way below market value.

From a habs fan perspective, I would imagine they would of wanted a longer term deal.

Right now it looks like

2 yrs deal 2.875 per
then say
5 yr deal 5 per

which is fine, but if you put those two together and just signed Subban for a 7 yr deal

7 yr 4.4 per

You pay the same amount to Subban per year, you just get more of a cap hit these next two years, but instead save cap hit the 5 yrs after that, when MTL will be back to being a playoff team.
I hope we are a playoff team inside of 5 years!

Yes 7 years at 4.4 would have been a great deal, BUT I don't believe either side agrees to that, considering where we just were.

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01-29-2013, 10:59 AM
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Great cap hit for the Habs.

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01-29-2013, 11:07 AM
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Great deal, way below market value.

From a habs fan perspective, I would imagine they would of wanted a longer term deal.

Right now it looks like

2 yrs deal 2.875 per
then say
5 yr deal 5 per

which is fine, but if you put those two together and just signed Subban for a 7 yr deal

7 yr 4.4 per

You pay the same amount to Subban per year, you just get more of a cap hit these next two years, but instead save cap hit the 5 yrs after that, when MTL will be back to being a playoff team.
There is no way that Subban would have agreed to a 7yr 4.4M$ contract.

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01-29-2013, 11:28 AM
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I ****ing hate this signing as a leafs fan.

But gotta give credit when its due, and that goes to GMMB, and to Subban for taking a discount.

Wish we had more players like Pernell Karl.

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01-29-2013, 11:29 AM
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Question and I'm sorry if this has been asked already...

How can PK get $3.75M in YEAR 2 when YEAR 1 is only $2M???

I thought that the variation from year to year was supposed to be set at a max of 35%???

By my calculation, that's roughly an 85% increase in Year 2 from Year 1. (then again, I'm no mathamagician)


EDIT - unless the 35% deviation is from the Average Cap Hit??? That would makes sense. Thanks (for nothing )

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01-29-2013, 11:36 AM
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Question and I'm sorry if this has been asked already...

How can PK get $3.75M in YEAR 2 when YEAR 1 is only $2M???

I thought that the variation from year to year was supposed to be set at a max of 35%???

By my calculation, that's roughly an 85% increase in Year 2 from Year 1. (then again, I'm no mathamagician)


EDIT - unless the 35% deviation is from the Average Cap Hit??? That would makes sense. Thanks (for nothing )
Why would the NHL and NHLPA have any issue with ''back loading'' contracts?

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01-29-2013, 11:38 AM
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Question and I'm sorry if this has been asked already...

How can PK get $3.75M in YEAR 2 when YEAR 1 is only $2M???

I thought that the variation from year to year was supposed to be set at a max of 35%???

By my calculation, that's roughly an 85% increase in Year 2 from Year 1. (then again, I'm no mathamagician)


EDIT - unless the 35% deviation is from the Average Cap Hit??? That would makes sense. Thanks (for nothing )
You've got it backwards. Only applies to front loading.

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01-29-2013, 11:41 AM
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Why would the NHL and NHLPA have any issue with ''back loading'' contracts?
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You've got it backwards. Only applies to front loading.
I don't think backloading/frontloading has anything to do with it. I thought the variance was only for UFA years. You can essentially do whatever you want with RFA years.

I could be wrong.

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01-29-2013, 11:44 AM
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Great deal, way below market value.

From a habs fan perspective, I would imagine they would of wanted a longer term deal.

Right now it looks like

2 yrs deal 2.875 per
then say
5 yr deal 5 per

which is fine, but if you put those two together and just signed Subban for a 7 yr deal

7 yr 4.4 per

You pay the same amount to Subban per year, you just get more of a cap hit these next two years, but instead save cap hit the 5 yrs after that, when MTL will be back to being a playoff team.
That could wind up being the case. That said, Montreal doesn't have much cap room this season and next, so having PK Subban sign for a lower cap hit makes sense. After the 2013-14 season, a lot of big contracts come off the books and Montreal will be in a much better position to give PK the big bucks he'll hopefully deserve.

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01-29-2013, 11:51 AM
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Why would the NHL and NHLPA have any issue with ''back loading'' contracts?
Well, I could see teams not wanting too big of a variance for qualifying purposes. So when PK becomes a RFA again after this contract, the Habs will have to qualify him at $3.75M instead of the average, from what I understand.

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01-29-2013, 11:59 AM
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It's a great deal for the Habs, and for PK you will get your raise after next season

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01-29-2013, 12:24 PM
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Good signing, and excellent $ for 2 year term. Subban looks a little foolish for holding out now though.

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01-29-2013, 12:30 PM
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Most dissapointed guy after truce is greedy player agent. Happy that MG didnt cave this time.

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01-29-2013, 12:56 PM
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Well, I could see teams not wanting too big of a variance for qualifying purposes. So when PK becomes a RFA again after this contract, the Habs will have to qualify him at $3.75M instead of the average, from what I understand.
That's what makes it a win for PK imo.

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