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01-28-2013, 08:18 PM
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Is Vancouver the blueprint of Nonis' plan for Leafs?

I don't see how this is a guessing game when it comes to the direction of the Leafs future.

Imo, we have a blueprint of Nonis' plan. Look at Vancouver after he took over from Burke. The only big piece Nonis traded was Bertuzzi because Bertuzzi needed to get the hell out of Vancouver after the Steve Moore incident. Even then the return was Luongo.

They will only trade will be guys like MacArthur and Steckel for picks. Maybe Liles might go depending on if they are preparing to go next year with guys like Gunnarsson, Ranger, Gardiner, and Rielly on LD. I actually think Komisarek stays and is not bought out of the final year of his deal; Phaneuf needs all the help he can get. Kostka, Franson, Holzer, Fraser aren't getting it done.

Nonis is not changing the Leafs plan. He will let these guys grow and develop, even Kessel!

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I don't see how this is a guessing game when it comes to the direction of the Leafs future.

Imo, we have a blueprint of Nonis' plan. Look at Vancouver after he took over from Burke. The only big piece Nonis traded was Bertuzzi because Bertuzzi needed to get the hell out of Vancouver after the Steve Moore incident. Even then the return was Luongo.

They will only trade will be guys like MacArthur and Steckel for picks. Maybe Liles might go depending on if they are preparing to go next year with guys like Gunnarsson, Ranger, Gardiner, and Rielly on LD. I actually think Komisarek stays and is not bought out of the final year of his deal; Phaneuf needs all the help he can get. Kostka, Franson, Holzer, Fraser aren't getting it done.

Nonis is not changing the Leafs plan. He will let these guys grow and develop, even Kessel!
This will be interesting to observe. The contrast between the cautious, steady as you go, long range planning that he used when he was GM to being the # 1 sidekick to bold strokes, high risk - high reward style of Burke. Hoping for the former. (If he actually trades for Luongo though, I would say he is following the Burke model.)

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wouldnt it be tempting to sign all-star calibre free agents?

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This will be interesting to observe. The contrast between the cautious, steady as you go, long range planning that he used when he was GM to being the # 1 sidekick to bold strokes, high risk - high reward style of Burke. Hoping for the former. (If he actually trades for Luongo though, I would say he is following the Burke model.)
I don't think he goes for Luongo. Trading for Luongo back then, was trading for a top goalie entering his prime; its not the same now. Vancouver started their process in 1999 when they drafted the Sedins, they didn't reach their height until 2011 when the won their first Presidents Trophy.

This process with the Leafs started in 2009 when we drafted Kadri and traded for Kessel, I think it will be a good 5 years until we see the height of this Leafs team.

#patience.

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He's too patient and its highly doubtful you can find a sucker like Keenan to trade you an All-Star goaltender for Bertuzzi, Allen and spare parts.

Brian Burke found that sucker in Sutter but Phaneuf is not the same D-man he once was in Calgary. I remember a dominant player but he's a shade of himself. His shot is nowhere close to where it was with Calgary and his speed isn't there either.

If Nonis is smart, he'll sell the play the kids mentality and accumulate picks and draft for TALENT and not for toughness.

Talent always wins out at the end. I'm sick of ignoring the European market as far as draft picks are concerned.

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Vancouver.....I don't know about that one. I see this team being more in the mold of Anahiem and how Bob Murray has kept and added pieces.

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He's too patient and its highly doubtful you can find a sucker like Keenan to trade you an All-Star goaltender for Bertuzzi, Allen and spare parts.

Brian Burke found that sucker in Sutter but Phaneuf is not the same D-man he once was in Calgary. I remember a dominant player but he's a shade of himself. His shot is nowhere close to where it was with Calgary and his speed isn't there either.

If Nonis is smart, he'll sell the play the kids mentality and accumulate picks and draft for TALENT and not for toughness.

Talent always wins out at the end. I'm sick of ignoring the European market as far as draft picks are concerned.
Wasn't Nonis the one behind the Phaneuf deal?

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Vancouver.....I don't know about that one. I see this team being more in the mold of Anahiem and how Bob Murray has kept and added pieces.
Thats the way Vancouver was built. They just kept adding pieces.

And Luongo fell into their laps.

I believe Nonis actually refused to sell a young Kesler and Edler for B. Richards. Nonis is against trading the future imo. Kessel goes nowhere imo.

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Wasn't Nonis the one behind the Phaneuf deal?
Yes all the good Leaf trades were Nonis trades, the lousy ones were Burkie's.

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wouldnt it be tempting to sign all-star calibre free agents?
I'd go maximum for Getzlaf.

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I'd go maximum for Getzlaf.
I'd try to go as high as it takes to go for Getzlaf/Perry if they hit UFA, then get under the cap by buying out, trading guys like Grabo,MacArthur and playing the kids.

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Bertuzzi was an all-star when he went to Florida.

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The Bertuzzi for Luongo deal at the time was more like a Joe Thornton for Carey Price type deal, so I don't think we have the chips to deal for a star goalie entering his prime.

I hope Nonis has the strength to just let the team spend some time at the bottom of the league, ignoring the 10 years of playoff futility in the meantime. Things might look pretty bright all of a sudden when we have a MacKinnon/Rielly/Biggs/Finn ready to break in in a year or two.

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wouldnt it be tempting to sign all-star calibre free agents?
It would have to be tempting for the all-star free agents to come Toronto, but it's not, so Nonis won't have to worry about that option.

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It would have to be tempting for the all-star free agents to come Toronto, but it's not, so Nonis won't have to worry about that option.
Even Gretzky wanted to be a Leaf.

Im sure Perry would come here if the opportunity presents itself. Getzlaf is too slow for our team. We are a skating team, he is not a skater.

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I doubt Nonis is still with us in 6 months. Just keeper of the gates until we have access to real GM candidates after the season.

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Every team has its own mold really. I can't really name two teams that are so similar in the way they are built.

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Every team has its own mold really. I can't really name two teams that are so similar in the way they are built.
San Jose during the Heeter days and NYR currently.

All their guns on one line.

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I'm not sure how much of a blueprint Vancouver has had as far as building goes.

Put people around the Sedins in every situation possible. Have two great goalies. Beat up on the Flames Oilers Avs and Wild 24 times a year.

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Not saying they're not good or anything like that. I'm just saying, you can't make a blueprint for success, you simply make moves you think are right.

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