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Yakupov vs. Galchenyuk

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Yakupov 88 52.69%
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01-30-2013, 07:55 PM
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This is the problem with a lot of player assessments on HF. You think that because a player is above average defensively, that adds a ton of value over someone who's average defensively. It does not. These star players aren't completely lost in their own zone.

It's the same thing with the Bergeron vs Tavares comparisons. It's not like Tavares is running around in his own zone not knowing what to do. The dropoff is there but it's not enough to compensate for a significant difference in offense.

This forum overrates everything except offensive production.
The biggest thing people sometime don't realize is that very good offensive players don't have to be as good defensively because they don't play defense nearly as often as most players. It's often the Yakupov's and the Stamkos' have to work on defense in their early years, simply because they didn't check that much in juniors/college as they were too busy scoring. Very good players can also have their weaknesses hyperbolized as it looks poorer in relation to the rest of their game.

Great attacking players like Yakupov push the transition and force defenseman to back off from holding the line. Yakupov's defense will be fine coming off the wing, if not very good. You have to understand the thing that makes him special is the speed he plays at, and i mean handling the puck too not just skating. He should end up with a very good stick and with his speed and physicality i can't see him being a liability. Yakupov's tremendous speed has seen him catch many a player on the backcheck already and he just needs to be more consistent and disciplined coming back. He clearly has the enthusiasm and desire needed to be a good defensive player, it's rather foolish to consider this some kind of difference between their potential IMO. Yakupov isn't some kind of trainwreck either, he did score an empty net goal the other night, meaning he was out defending a lead.

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01-30-2013, 08:13 PM
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Wait wait...Galchenyuk is 6'1 195lbs and people call him big. Gomez at 5'11 and 200lbs was small. Is 2 inches and 5 pounds that big of a difference? Seriously, Galchenyuk isn't a ''big'' player. Getzlaf is, the Staals are, Lucic is. Galchenyuk is just a bit above the average forward in terms of height. He'll likely bulk up and weigh around 210. Still, he isn't a big center. Stop giving him that label.

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01-30-2013, 08:27 PM
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Wait wait...Galchenyuk is 6'1 195lbs and people call him big. Gomez at 5'11 and 200lbs was small. Is 2 inches and 5 pounds that big of a difference? Seriously, Galchenyuk isn't a ''big'' player. Getzlaf is, the Staals are, Lucic is. Galchenyuk is just a bit above the average forward in terms of height. He'll likely bulk up and weigh around 210. Still, he isn't a big center. Stop giving him that label.
he's still growing. he could be 6' 3"-4" by 21-22.

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01-30-2013, 08:28 PM
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Wait wait...Galchenyuk is 6'1 195lbs and people call him big. Gomez at 5'11 and 200lbs was small. Is 2 inches and 5 pounds that big of a difference? Seriously, Galchenyuk isn't a ''big'' player. Getzlaf is, the Staals are, Lucic is. Galchenyuk is just a bit above the average forward in terms of height. He'll likely bulk up and weigh around 210. Still, he isn't a big center. Stop giving him that label.
Yeah, I don't know why people think Gally is a big center.

What he is is a very smart player that makes great decisions on the ice. Good wrist shot and a well rounded player.

At first when he was drafted I thought he'd play LW for the Habs and I thought it was a wash between Yakupov/Galchenyuk.

Edmonton drafted the best player available at the time, but I think they would like a re-do.

How many star wingers do you need? You need great center depth and that starts with your #1 and #2C's.

They aren't going to win anything with Gagner as their 2nd center.

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01-30-2013, 08:35 PM
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Yeah, I don't know why people think Gally is a big center.

What he is is a very smart player that makes great decisions on the ice. Good wrist shot and a well rounded player.

At first when he was drafted I thought he'd play LW for the Habs and I thought it was a wash between Yakupov/Galchenyuk.

Edmonton drafted the best player available at the time, but I think they would like a re-do.

How many star wingers do you need? You need great center depth and that starts with your #1 and #2C's.

They aren't going to win anything with Gagner as their 2nd center.
What has happened between June and now that would make the Oilers want a re-do?

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he's still growing. he could be 6' 3"-4" by 21-22.
I don't think men gaining 2-3 inches after 18 is common. From what I've seen, most are really close to being fully grown in terms of height. After that age, we mostly put on weight and more muscle mass but hardly any height.

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Yeah, I don't know why people think Gally is a big center.

What he is is a very smart player that makes great decisions on the ice. Good wrist shot and a well rounded player.

At first when he was drafted I thought he'd play LW for the Habs and I thought it was a wash between Yakupov/Galchenyuk.

Edmonton drafted the best player available at the time, but I think they would like a re-do.

How many star wingers do you need? You need great center depth and that starts with your #1 and #2C's.

They aren't going to win anything with Gagner as their 2nd center.
He's big enough for the NHL and big enough for people not to complain about his size. Good enough for me. The only reason I don't think the Oilers should have drafted Yakupov is they had enough smaller skilled players. Of course they could always trade one of their young guns for Seth Jones or another big established number 1 dman in the upcoming draft if it really becomes a dire issue.

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I don't think men gaining 2-3 inches after 18 is common. From what I've seen, most are really close to being fully grown in terms of height. After that age, we mostly put on weight and more muscle mass but hardly any height.
i would disagree. i was still growing until i was 22. growing pains were a *****.

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i would disagree. i was still growing until i was 22. growing pains were a *****.
You'd be in the minority. It's rare to still be growing at 21-22.

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If the kings didn't have so many centers, I would have easily said Galchenyuk, however, since we so little wingers, I would have to take Yakupov.

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Hard to say. I'd probably say Yakupov, the gap was pretty big on draft day but Galchenyuk's definitely closed it since then. I'd probably still say Yakupov but I'm really glad we've got Galchenyuk.

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I'm very happy with Yakupov so far but having a RNH-Galchenyuk 1-2 punch down the middle would be amazing.

In hindsight, I think its a coin toss between them for 1st overall.

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Yeah, I don't know why people think Gally is a big center.

What he is is a very smart player that makes great decisions on the ice. Good wrist shot and a well rounded player.

At first when he was drafted I thought he'd play LW for the Habs and I thought it was a wash between Yakupov/Galchenyuk.

Edmonton drafted the best player available at the time, but I think they would like a re-do.

How many star wingers do you need? You need great center depth and that starts with your #1 and #2C's.

They aren't going to win anything with Gagner as their 2nd center.
Just going to throw it out there now since I don't know how long it's going to last. The Oilers are 4-2-0 so far with Gagner as their 2nd line center...and Gagner has 2 goals/7 points in 6 games so far this season. He's looked very good so far.

Yakupov has 4 goals in 6 games. How could they be regretting drafting him as of right now?

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Edmonton drafted the best player available at the time, but I think they would like a re-do.
Nope. You always draft the BPA (unless you can trade out of the pick). They made the right choice for sure. Galchenyuk wasn't even close to Yakupov at the draft.

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How many star wingers do you need? You need great center depth and that starts with your #1 and #2C's.

They aren't going to win anything with Gagner as their 2nd center.
Actually, they can.

The Oilers in 2006 came within a game of the Cup without their starting goaltender led by the formidable 1-2 C punch of Horcoff and Stoll/Peca.

The Oilers' struggles are mainly due to defense and mediocre goaltending, not their top6.


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Seguin for sure.

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Nope. You always draft the BPA (unless you can trade out of the pick). They made the right choice for sure. Galchenyuk wasn't even close to Yakupov at the draft.



Actually, they can.

The Oilers in 2006 came within a game of the Cup without their starting goaltender led by the formidable 1-2 C punch of Horcoff and Pisani.

The Oilers' struggles are mainly due to defense and mediocre goaltending, not their top6.
Pisani was our 3rd line winger. Horcoff, Stoll and Peca were our centers.

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Pisani was our 3rd line winger. Horcoff, Stoll and Peca were our centers.
Wow, massive brain fart.

Thanks for correcting.

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Wait wait...Galchenyuk is 6'1 195lbs and people call him big. Gomez at 5'11 and 200lbs was small. Is 2 inches and 5 pounds that big of a difference? Seriously, Galchenyuk isn't a ''big'' player. Getzlaf is, the Staals are, Lucic is. Galchenyuk is just a bit above the average forward in terms of height. He'll likely bulk up and weigh around 210. Still, he isn't a big center. Stop giving him that label.
big center really doesn't mean size in any way shape or form is why. Big center is really just a way to describe someone who be used in all situations and put up some offense and has some grit to their game. The whole metric of big vs. small among NHL fans is so skewed anyway. There's absolutely no middle ground, a player is either big or they're small and it often has little to do with their actual height or weight but more with how they play the game or how the team they play for is perceived. To me guys within an inch or two of average height shouldn't be called either big or small they should be called average. Save big or small labels for players who are actually at one end of the spectrum or the other.

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Yeah, I don't know why people think Gally is a big center.

What he is is a very smart player that makes great decisions on the ice. Good wrist shot and a well rounded player.

At first when he was drafted I thought he'd play LW for the Habs and I thought it was a wash between Yakupov/Galchenyuk.

Edmonton drafted the best player available at the time, but I think they would like a re-do.

How many star wingers do you need? You need great center depth and that starts with your #1 and #2C's.

They aren't going to win anything with Gagner as their 2nd center.
No chance in Hell.

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Yakupov scores last night and the poll swings in his favour. Pretty much a microcosm of HF. That being said I'm very happy we drafted Yakupov.

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Galchenyuk's stock is high due to a strong start (deservedly so); Yakupov's stock is low due to his contrived "celebration controversies."


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No chance in Hell.
Agreed. It wasn't even remotely close. Yak was the clear and obvious #1. It hasn't been that obvious since Crosby.

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Ill keep Galchenyuk thanks.

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Nope. You always draft the BPA (unless you can trade out of the pick). They made the right choice for sure. Galchenyuk wasn't even close to Yakupov at the draft.



Actually, they can.

The Oilers in 2006 came within a game of the Cup without their starting goaltender led by the formidable 1-2 C punch of Horcoff and Stoll/Peca.

The Oilers' struggles are mainly due to defense and mediocre goaltending, not their top6.
Was that not decent centre strength at the time?

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I'll go with Gally

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