Aves fans will say EJ, Blues fans will say Shatty. Who cares , both teams are happy with the trade and this has been debated way too many times to count. Leave it be and move along.
Aves fans will say EJ, Blues fans will say Shatty. Who cares , both teams are happy with the trade and this has been debated way too many times to count. Leave it be and move along.
This was a great trade, defined. EJ is a solid top-pairing Dman, Shatty is a top 4 O-Dman. With Petro coming up, everyone saw that the Blues did not have a need for a Petro, and a Petro Jr. So, we got some great return from the Avs, in return for them getting a #1 Dman that they didn't previously have depth-wise.
E. Johnson is the better player. That's why it took Shattenkirk AND Stewart to get him.
By that logic Beachmin is better than Lupul now because it took Gardiner and Lupul to get him.
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E. Johnson is playing in the #1 D-man slot for the Avs, while Shattenkirk plays on the second pairing for the Blues.
Shattenkirk is also has one of the best dmen in the league on his team. I don't think anyone would argue that Pronger wasn't better than most team's first line dmen because he was playing on the second line behind Neidermayer, back when he played in Anaheim.
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Shattenkirk has definitely exceeded what many expected of him and developed very well, but he hasn't surpassed Johnson.
As a Blues fan, it's sad to see this brought up again in this fashion.
And even if any other given team would rather have EJ, the Blues would be a worse team if they swapped Shattenkirk for him straight up. The puck control, movement, and offense he provides is crucial to the Blues' success. Shatty is also better defensively and physically than Rafalski ever was, so the line that he's a powerplay specialist is going nowhere.
So, as valid as this discussion may seem, the bickering about the players when the trade happened was out of control and they're such different players at this point that a comparison is highly situational. Which makes it more flag-waving than discourse.
E. Johnson is the better player. That's why it took Shattenkirk AND Stewart to get him.
E. Johnson is playing in the #1 D-man slot for the Avs, while Shattenkirk plays on the second pairing for the Blues.
Shattenkirk has definitely exceeded what many expected of him and developed very well, but he hasn't surpassed Johnson.
It also took a first round pick and one of the Blues better defensive forwards. Forgot to mention that I guess?
Avs fans are happy with the trade and Blues fans are happy with the trade. That's all that matters. As for saying Shattenkirk is a 2nd pairing D and EJ is a first pairing D, if EJ was on St. Louis he would be on the 2nd pairing. Exactly where Shattenkirk is now.
Aves fans will say EJ, Blues fans will say Shatty. Who cares , both teams are happy with the trade and this has been debated way too many times to count. Leave it be and move along.
This.
EJ to date has not lived up to his #1 overall draft pick selection in the 2006 Entry draft, suffered a severe knee injury before the 2008-2009 season and I have doubts he will ever live up to those expectations.
As a Blues fan, it's sad to see this brought up again in this fashion.
Yeah especially since it's pretty well documented that both sides are quite happy with the trade.
A troll brought it up originally, so I think this was more for the troll to eat some crow more than to actually poll this question again, as yes, it has been brought up far too much.
It also took a first round pick and one of the Blues better defensive forwards. Forgot to mention that I guess?
Avs fans are happy with the trade and Blues fans are happy with the trade. That's all that matters. As for saying Shattenkirk is a 2nd pairing D and EJ is a first pairing D, if EJ was on St. Louis he would be on the 2nd pairing. Exactly where Shattenkirk is now.
You've just basically said Pietrangelo is better than EJ and Shatty, that doesn't mean anything in this discussion.
No one in their right mind would play Shatty over EJ against opposing teams top lines, he's still a work in progress in his own zone and that was painfully obvious last playoffs against the Kings.
.. Just saying, I didn't say either of them sucked or that they are good..
