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01-30-2013, 11:57 AM
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yes keep him here. Hopefully McClement gets more time with players that play hockey. Hes been great on pk and quite noticeable on the Orr line. He should used on any of the of the top three lines if players are having an off night. MacCarthur is McByeBye!

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I'm a big fan of Frattin, and have been rooting for him as a prospect since he was first kicked out of School. I'm happy to see how he's turned things around. He's a proven goal scorer at each level he's played at, and deserves a shot at full time duty in the NHL.

As for who leaves the lineup; why not cycle four lines that are decent and can contribute in diverse ways. Depth will become more and more important as the season progresses.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Frattin
MacA - Grabo - Kuli
Komarov - McClement - Brown

Or something along those lines...


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01-30-2013, 12:17 PM
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Frattin has 9 games.

After that, he loses waiver eligibility.

At that point the organization needs to make a decision with him.

If they believe in him, make a permanent roster move for him - MacArthur? He'd be my bet to move out. I don't think he offers us anything that Frattin doesn't.

If they don't believe in him, then you trade him. Or risk losing him on waivers, etc.

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01-30-2013, 12:26 PM
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Frattin has 9 games.

After that, he loses waiver eligibility.

At that point the organization needs to make a decision with him.

If they believe in him, make a permanent roster move for him - MacArthur? He'd be my bet to move out. I don't think he offers us anything that Frattin doesn't.

If they don't believe in him, then you trade him. Or risk losing him on waivers, etc.
I can't see any way they expose him to waivers.

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01-30-2013, 12:30 PM
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I agree with a lot of people here that it might come down to Frattin or MacArthur. That decision won't come until Lupul is back so I think this is a deadline thing unless there's other injuries.

Too early to tell really.

One thing is for sure, he's here for the foreseeable future and they are not going to put him on the waiver wire. No chance of that. From a cap and asset management perspective, Frattin is the logical choice.

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01-30-2013, 12:33 PM
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Lupul - Kadri - Kessel
MacA - Grabo - Kulemin
JVR - Bozak - Frattin
Koma - McClem - (Brown/Orr/Hamilton/Steckel)

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01-30-2013, 12:36 PM
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I agree with a lot of people here that it might come down to Frattin or MacArthur. That decision won't come until Lupul is back so I think this is a deadline thing unless there's other injuries.

Too early to tell really.

One thing is for sure, he's here for the foreseeable future and they are not going to put him on the waiver wire. No chance of that. From a cap and asset management perspective, Frattin is the logical choice.
If the team likes Frattin, then they make that decision to keep him.

At that point, you start shopping others (Kulemin, Mac, etc). Even though Lupul isn't back until later, and that keeps a roster spot open for someone like Frattin, the shopping starts.

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01-30-2013, 12:41 PM
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Lupul - Kadri - Kessel
MacA - Grabo - Kulemin
JVR - Bozak - Frattin
Koma - McClem - (Brown/Orr/Hamilton/Steckel)
In a meritocracy, looks about right. However, strategically, I'd rather keep Bozak with the top line because it can still produce that way, and that third line is a lot more capable with Kadri on it.

The extra time Kadri deserves should be served on the PP.

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01-30-2013, 12:44 PM
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Lupul - Kadri - Kessel
MacA - Grabo - Kulemin
JVR - Bozak - Frattin
Koma - McClem - (Brown/Orr/Hamilton/Steckel)
I like it. Has scoring, playmaking, net presence a bit of grit and faceoff ability. I'd like a bit more size in the bottom 6, but it's not terrible. Especially in a year or two once these guys get experience.

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01-30-2013, 12:44 PM
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He's got chemistry with Kadri and that line has been our best line. MacArthur just doesn't fit.

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01-30-2013, 12:46 PM
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I can't believe we even have to aks this question.

So,you would put him on waivers and risk losing him? I think we all knew something had to give as we started to play the kids.

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01-30-2013, 12:48 PM
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Frattin will be here for the rest of the season unless traded.....he will never clear waivers. When we have to make a roster decision look for a trade, if no trade then I say good bye to Steckel.

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01-30-2013, 12:50 PM
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he's becoming a NHLer. we're happy to have him.

Awesome goal last night.

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01-30-2013, 12:58 PM
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Just wondering what people think about Frattin staying with the team even when Lupul returns. I realize he has only played 3 games and may not continue his play, but I personally wanted him to be playing with the Leafs the whole time.

I'm not 100% sure about the ruling for him playing with the Leafs or getting sent down... Would he have to clear waivers? (a team would most likely pick him up)

What would you do:
Trade someone (MacA maybe)?
Have someone sit in the press box?
Send someone else down to the Marlies?

IMO they should keep him. Trade MacA for a draft pick.
Lineup would look like this:

Lupul Bozak Kessel
JVR Grabo Kulemin
Frattin Kadri Komarov
Brown Mcclement orr
trade him.
frattin and franson for luongo and a 2nd
now that both there values are high.

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01-30-2013, 01:00 PM
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trade him.
frattin and franson for luongo and a 2nd
now that both there values are high.
We're you one of those people who said trade Kadri, Bozak and a first for Luongo?

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I can't see any way they expose him to waivers.
Definitely no waivers.

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We're you one of those people who said trade Kadri, Bozak and a first for Luongo?
never said, trade kadri for luongo or anyone.

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trade him.
frattin and franson for luongo and a 2nd
now that both there values are high.
Yes, set the team back for the next 10 years.

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never said, trade kadri for luongo or anyone.

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Fair enough.

Trading Frattin would be a huge mistake now. He's showing us what he can do and can definitely be a 25ish goal scorer in this league.

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Fair enough.

Trading Frattin would be a huge mistake now. He's showing us what he can do and can definitely be a 25ish goal scorer in this league.
what happens? when he does not score for 6, 7 or 8 games.
does everone turn on him?

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01-30-2013, 01:09 PM
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Yes, set the team back for the next 10 years.
nobody wanted franson a few days ago.
frattin is a product of the JFJ era, he never left any thing for the leafs to work with.

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what happens? when he does not score for 6, 7 or 8 games.
does everone turn on him?
People probably will.

Doesn't really matter, it's bound to happen. He isn't going to go PPG the whole season.

That's why good GMs don't make knee jerk reactions. I'd trade Frattin if it was in a package for a YOUNG #1 goalie. But enough with these quick fixes. Lets keep our guys and see what happens. Frattin continues to impress and if he continues to develop his overall game and finds some consistency he could be a lethal player for us.

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From Capgeek:

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This field should not be confused with the year the contract was signed. For example, Justin Abdelkader signed his first NHL contract on April 4, 2008, with 2007-08 as the first season of that contract. The calendar year on June 30 preceding the 2007-08 season is 2007, so 2007 would be selected here. Conversely, Colton Gillies signed his first contract on March 31, 2008, with 2008-09 as the first season. The calendar year on June 30 preceding the 2008-09 season is 2008, so 2008 would be selected here.

Contracts signed between March 1 and the end of a league year are most problematic for filling out this field because the first season of the contract can either be the current season or the following season.

In the event of a contract slide, years that have slid count as the first season of the contract. For example, Thomas Hickey signed his first NHL contract on July 10, 2007, with 2007-08 to be its first season. But his contract slid twice and now runs from 2009-10 to 2011-12. Nonetheless, 2007-08 is counted as his first season for waiver purposes, and the calendar year on June 30 preceding the 2007-08 season is 2007, so 2007 would be selected here.

In roughly 80 percent of the cases, this is an easy field to fill out, and the year often ends up aligning with the year the contract was actually signed. If you aren't certain about this field for a specific player, email admin@capgeek.com.
Frattin signed 2010-2011 season

June 2010 would, if I interpret above correctly, his signing year.

MATT FRATTIN IS EXEMPT FROM WAIVERS.

The following chart shows the number of years (not including 2012-13) or games he has to play to lose his exemption, as well as how many years and games he has played to date. It highlights in red the years or games (whichever he reaches first) remaining on his exemption.

http://capgeek.com/waiver-calculator...010&Calculate=

 YEARS GAMES
EXEMPT UNTIL 3 70
TO DATE 2 60
REMAINING EXEMPTION 1 10

So if he started this season with 10 games before waivers, he now has 7 to spare?

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People probably will.

Doesn't really matter, it's bound to happen. He isn't going to go PPG the whole season.

That's why good GMs don't make knee jerk reactions. I'd trade Frattin if it was in a package for a YOUNG #1 goalie. But enough with these quick fixes. Lets keep our guys and see what happens. Frattin continues to impress and if he continues to develop his overall game and finds some consistency he could be a lethal player for us.
i like frattin. alot of ?. lets see at the end of the season he could play good in this market.
but we been waiting for kulimen to produce 30 goal seasons, will it happen? not here.
he needs to go to a team with less pressure. than he might.

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i like frattin. alot of ?. lets see at the end of the season he could play good in this market.
but we been waiting for kulimen to produce 30 goal seasons, will it happen? not here.
he needs to go to a team with less pressure. than he might.
I don't think these guys are under a lot of pressure. Kadri however has to become a star based on expectations and hype, so he's the more likely to need a new address.

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