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03-29-2013, 01:18 AM
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I think we could get a little more for Bouwmeester.

I know Beauliieu was considered a top prospect at one point but I I'm not sure how he has been in his first AHL season thus far.

If you want Bouwmeester, I'd imagine you have to overpay a bit. The Flames don't need to offload him like they did Iginla. There's always draft day and there's always next year's trade deadline. With the way he is playing right now, I want a little more back, even if Calgary has to eat some of his cap and salary.
Beaulieu still is a great prospect and progressing well, has been hot lately and some habs fans who watch him play think he deserves a callup..

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03-29-2013, 01:18 AM
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per The Fourth Period

[I]...Flames GM Jay Feaster will now focus on some of the other players he could possibly deal before the April 3 trade deadline.

Defensemen Jay Bouwmeester, Cory Sarich and Anton Babchuk, and forwards Alex Tanguay, Curtis Glencross, Lee Stempniak and Blake Comeau have all attracted the interest of several teams from around the NHL.

However, only Stempniak and Comeau are without no-trade/no-movement clauses, and the rest would need to give their stamp of approval before the Flames can finalize any trade.

Bouwmeester, Glencross and Tanguay could command the most from other teams, as they are each signed beyond this season.

The Detroit Red Wings, Philadelphia Flyers, Boston Bruins and Carolina Hurricanes have all inquired about Bouwmeester, while the Los Angeles Kings are reportedly interested in Tanguay.
1) Tanguay, Babchuk and Sarich have limited NTC's. Glencross and Bouwmeester have full NMC's.

2) Almost every single other insider has made mention that contracts with term extending beyond this season have limited value. Few, if any teams are eager to take on salary for next season with the cap going down. It's why J.Jokinen cleared waivers and why a GM reportedly said he'd have been claimed had he been a UFA at the end of this season.

King and co. mentioned they were planning on moves at the deadline as well as by the draft. I see the UFA's like Babchuk, Sarich, and Comeau getting moved for sure, assuming anyone is willing to take them. Maybe Stempniak and Bouwmeester as well, but only if a team is willing to pay the price, which seems unlikely.

At draft then, I'd expect Tanguay or Cammalleri, and Giordano or Bouwmeester to be moved. At that point, clubs would have a better idea of where they sit financially. And with the weak UFA crop, some team might overpay to ensure they get a player they want.

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03-29-2013, 01:22 AM
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Habs first round pick in 2013 + Nathan Beaulieu + Ryan White for Jay Bouwmeester?
in any trade with Montreal, I'd want the Flames second rounder back. So all that, well, you can keep White, plus the Flames 2nd.

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03-29-2013, 11:39 AM
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Nathan Beaulieu called up by Montreal. Trade incoming!!

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03-29-2013, 02:18 PM
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1) Tanguay, Babchuk and Sarich have limited NTC's. Glencross and Bouwmeester have full NMC's.

2) Almost every single other insider has made mention that contracts with term extending beyond this season have limited value. Few, if any teams are eager to take on salary for next season with the cap going down. It's why J.Jokinen cleared waivers and why a GM reportedly said he'd have been claimed had he been a UFA at the end of this season.

King and co. mentioned they were planning on moves at the deadline as well as by the draft. I see the UFA's like Babchuk, Sarich, and Comeau getting moved for sure, assuming anyone is willing to take them. Maybe Stempniak and Bouwmeester as well, but only if a team is willing to pay the price, which seems unlikely.

At draft then, I'd expect Tanguay or Cammalleri, and Giordano or Bouwmeester to be moved. At that point, clubs would have a better idea of where they sit financially. And with the weak UFA crop, some team might overpay to ensure they get a player they want.
I suspect both will have considerable value. Bouwmeester particularly has been mentioned to have good value.

Bob McKenzie mentioned he could get better value than Iggy (and judging by Murray's price he could be right). He has a big contract past this season but it's not often a top pairing dman comes available in the league. He's sure to get good value.

Stempniak also has term past the summer but unlike Jokinen, he was playing well and at 2.5 isn't that difficult to fit if he's playing like he's paid (something Jokinen was not doing).

It's considerably easier to fit a guy who's producing then one who isn't (which is why Jokinen didn't go anywhere).

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03-29-2013, 02:23 PM
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Detroit has been the team that has been most mentioned, a guy like Nyquist or Tatar would be great
Nyquist would be really nice. It's likely he'd be able to jump into the top 6 right away, maybe making moving someone else in it a little easier.

Although some Red Wings fans have speculated that they think if Dekeyser signs with them, they might move a dman. I'd love to get Sproul...

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03-29-2013, 04:21 PM
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TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun wrote on ESPN.com that the asking price for Calgary Flames defenceman Jay Bouwmeester is high.

With Jarome Iginla now playing for the Penguins, the spotlight has turned to Bouwmeester as the Flames look to retool their roster.

"I think they move Bouwmeester," one NHL team executive told ESPN.com Friday. "But they want a lot for him."

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Mikka Kiprusoff is declining to comment on reports that he would refuse to report to another team if he is traded before the April 3 deadline and possible speculation that he will retire at the end of the year.

"I'm not going to talk about it," the veteran netminder told George Johnson of the Calgary Herald. “It is what it is, the rumours and stuff going around. I'd rather speak about when I'm playing and what I'm trying to do to win the next game. That's it.”

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03-29-2013, 04:31 PM
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Teams should be paying a high price for Bouwmeester. The guy is a workhorse, is having a great year offensively, and is signed for another year and therefore not a rental. If the Flames swallow some of his salary, we could get a lot back in a package for him.

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03-29-2013, 04:40 PM
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Multiple sources say Dekeyser chose Detroit. No surprise, but still a little disappointed. There are one or two other FAs I hope we might snag.

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Multiple sources say Dekeyser chose Detroit. No surprise, but still a little disappointed. There are one or two other FAs I hope we might snag.
Good news for Calgary actually as it gives Detroit another asset so they won't be too upset to part with a big package for Bouwmeester.

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03-29-2013, 04:45 PM
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Good news for Calgary actually as it gives Detroit another asset so they won't be too upset to part with a big package for Bouwmeester.
That's one way of looking at it I suppose. Stay positive.

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03-29-2013, 04:49 PM
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My Bouwmeester blockbuster:

Jay Bouwmeester, Matt Stajan, Derek Smith, 2013 4th rnd pick (to Detroit for)

Petr Mrazek, Ian White, Xavier Ouellet, Calle Jarnkrok, Cory Emmerton, 2013 1st rnd pick

(we flip Ian White to a contender for a 2nd round pick)

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03-29-2013, 04:53 PM
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My Bouwmeester blockbuster:

Jay Bouwmeester, Matt Stajan, Derek Smith, 2013 4th rnd pick (to Detroit for)

Petr Mrazek, Ian White, Xavier Ouellet, Calle Jarnkrok, Cory Emmerton, 2013 1st rnd pick

(we flip Ian White to a contender for a 2nd round pick)
Every. Day. Of. The. Week.

Would rather not have Emmerton but hey.

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03-29-2013, 06:55 PM
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My Bouwmeester blockbuster:

Jay Bouwmeester, Matt Stajan, Derek Smith, 2013 4th rnd pick (to Detroit for)

Petr Mrazek, Ian White, Xavier Ouellet, Calle Jarnkrok, Cory Emmerton, 2013 1st rnd pick

(we flip Ian White to a contender for a 2nd round pick)
There is no way Detroit ever takes this deal. They won't give up their 3 best prospects arguably in Mrazek, Jarnkrok (who they are very high on), and Quellet.. Plus a first round pick..Detroit laughs and hangs up

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What is Bouwmeester realistically worth?

His cap hit definitely isn't a good thing for the flames if you guys want to sign a couple UFAs this summer.

Would a 3rd overall pick and Yannick Weber be enough? I just don't see any team willing to give much more than that.

He is -34 since joining the flames. With 97pts in 274 games.

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03-29-2013, 11:50 PM
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What is Bouwmeester realistically worth?

His cap hit definitely isn't a good thing for the flames if you guys want to sign a couple UFAs this summer.

Would a 3rd overall pick and Yannick Weber be enough? I just don't see any team willing to give much more than that.

He is -34 since joining the flames. With 97pts in 274 games.
3rd overall or 3rd round?

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What is Bouwmeester realistically worth?

His cap hit definitely isn't a good thing for the flames if you guys want to sign a couple UFAs this summer.
If you hadn't heard, the Flames are 'Brenda-ing.' As such, going after UFA's won't be a big concern moving forward.

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Would a 3rd overall pick and Yannick Weber be enough? I just don't see any team willing to give much more than that.

He is -34 since joining the flames. With 97pts in 274 games.
No, not even close. Look a few posts above to see where Bouwmeester's value lies. I'm assuming you meant a 3rd round pick.

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03-30-2013, 12:09 AM
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If you hadn't heard, the Flames are 'Brenda-ing.' As such, going after UFA's won't be a big concern moving forward.


No, not even close. Look a few posts above to see where Bouwmeester's value lies. I'm assuming you meant a 3rd round pick.
Yeah I read some of it, but none of it is accurate.

Bouwmeester was acquired at the trade deadline for Jordan Leopold and a 3rd round pick. His value did nothing but do down since, with only 1 yr left on his contract and the price he will cost during that year. I don't think he's worth much more than my previous offer.

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Yeah I read some of it, but none of it is accurate.

Bouwmeester was acquired at the trade deadline for Jordan Leopold and a 3rd round pick. His value did nothing but do down since, with only 1 yr left on his contract and the price he will cost during that year. I don't think he's worth much more than my previous offer.
You're incorrect. He was not aquired at the deadline his RIGHTS were aquired a few days before July 1st. That's why he didn't fetch much.

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Yeah I read some of it, but none of it is accurate.

Bouwmeester was acquired at the trade deadline for Jordan Leopold and a 3rd round pick. His value did nothing but do down since, with only 1 yr left on his contract and the price he will cost during that year. I don't think he's worth much more than my previous offer.
That was after the draft and both Bouwmeester and Leopold were UFAs, obviously Florida wasnt going to get more than that for Bouwmeester, there is no chance the Flames or any team in the league would move Bouwmeester if they had him for a 3rd round pick and a depth defenseman.

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Yeah I read some of it, but none of it is accurate.

Bouwmeester was acquired at the trade deadline for Jordan Leopold and a 3rd round pick. His value did nothing but do down since, with only 1 yr left on his contract and the price he will cost during that year. I don't think he's worth much more than my previous offer.
Nope. His rights were acquired three days before he would hit unrestricted free agency.

And if you think a number defensemen on pace for 40+ points that can play 25 minutes a night can be had for a 3rd and a toss in, well good luck with that.

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Yeah I read some of it, but none of it is accurate.

Bouwmeester was acquired at the trade deadline for Jordan Leopold and a 3rd round pick. His value did nothing but do down since, with only 1 yr left on his contract and the price he will cost during that year. I don't think he's worth much more than my previous offer.
Actually he was acquired a day before FA. And he has plenty of value, you can't just look at stats and expect to know everything about a player.

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Bouwmeester was acquired at the trade deadline for Jordan Leopold and a 3rd round pick.
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There were reports Kiprusoff told the Flames he'll refuse to report if traded but while he's not keen on moving, Kiprusoff's agent simply told Calgary that they should consult with the goalie before making a deal and treat it on a case-by-case basis.

If he's willing to move, and that's what Toronto is currently waiting to find out, Kiprusoff could probably be had for a draft pick. Nonis might favour that price over the live body or bodies that would be required to get Luongo, who has nine years and more than $40 million owing on his contract. But if Kiprusoff isn't moving, then Luongo is being looked at.
So likely a 2nd or a 3rd.

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So likely a 2nd or a 3rd.
Would be fine with a 2nd for Kipper honestly. But man is it going to be sad to lose the captain and the franchise goalie less than a week apart...

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