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02-06-2013, 07:56 AM
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Jake Gardiner

Why is he not on the Leafs? He declared good to go?. He's proven he can play in the NHL so why isn't he? SURELY he could help the PP. People complain about Dion's production but he can't do it all himself he needs help surely Gardiner would be a better fit on the PP then Kostka.

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02-06-2013, 07:57 AM
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give him time to find his game gain. What's the rush?

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His recovery from the concussion has been tough.

The one game he played after his injury, he looked pretty slow and lost.

I haven't been able to watch the Marlies lately, but from what I read, he isn't exactly dominating there either.

He'll be back before we know it.

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give him time to find his game gain. What's the rush?
I like Kostka but that guy should be nowhere NEAR the PP not when you have a much younger proven asset in the AHL.

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I like Kostka but that guy should be nowhere NEAR the PP not when you have a much younger proven asset in the AHL.
Sure, let's do what YOU want.

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leafs seem to be showcasing some defense. Need amongst other teams

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02-06-2013, 08:16 AM
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Sure, let's do what YOU want.
why not? CLEARLY the PP isn't clicking right now, maybbe that changes and they feast on the jets but today something isn't working

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why not? CLEARLY the PP isn't clicking right now, maybbe that changes and they feast on the jets but today something isn't working
Jake Gardiner's long term health and development is more important IMO.

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leafs seem to be showcasing some defense. Need amongst other teams
Detroit, Philly, and LA all come to mind.

Brady and Lang on the Fan this morning were going on about Komisarek to Detroit. Said that the Wings looked absolutely dreadful last night in Calgary, and that Komi would probably get Top 4 Minutes there.

I can see Nonis moving a defenseman or 2 sooner rather than later.

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Jake Gardiner's long term health and development is more important IMO.
This.

I believe our PP is going to get up there. It's a thing of coaching and they don't have much time from real practices to work on stuff in the shortened season. Plus, one of our top offensive players in injured.

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I think it is more or less just a precaution. They see him as a key member of this core for years to come and they see no reason to rush him back early. My guess he will play when he feels at least 110%.

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Why is he not on the Leafs? He declared good to go?. He's proven he can play in the NHL so why isn't he? SURELY he could help the PP. People complain about Dion's production but he can't do it all himself he needs help surely Gardiner would be a better fit on the PP then Kostka.
Did you see his play his first couple of games back after the injury? He wasn't himself and made some bad plays (and did the same his first game with the Marlies) so he just needs time to make sure he is 100% healthy and to get fully back into game shape.

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02-06-2013, 09:33 AM
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Seeing what we have without him. Probably our best trading chip.

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it's a concussion dude, give it some time.

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02-06-2013, 10:29 AM
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It's a concussion.

Sometimes players (like Kaberle after the Jansen hit) are never the same. The Leafs are being smart and protecting one of their top young assets.

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So what's the feeling on Gardiner then. Is his call-up imminent? Surely he belongs up with the big club...

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Even without the concussion. This guy has gotten severely overhyped in Toronto. He IS a good young piece, but it's no different than Reimer going into last year (coming off solid rookie season), Bozak the year before that (coming off solid rookie season), Schenn prior to that (coming off solid rookie season), etc. After their respective rookie seasons, they were all literally looked upon as #1 goalie, #1 Centre, and top pairing D respectively. Same has been applied to Gardiner.

He played well last year when used in relatively sheltered minutes. But with the increased pressure a regression in his game shouldnt have been considered out of the question. The injury just makes that even more likely.

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Even without the concussion. This guy has gotten severely overhyped in Toronto. He IS a good young piece, but it's no different than Reimer going into last year (coming off solid rookie season), Bozak the year before that (coming off solid rookie season), Schenn prior to that (coming off solid rookie season), etc.

He played well last year when used in relatively sheltered minutes. But with the increased pressure a regression in his game shouldnt have been considered out of the question. The injury just makes that even more likely.
how do you overhype someone who led rookie defencemen in points and time on ice? I guess sheltered minutes and rookie leader in TOI and synonymous?

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Even without the concussion. This guy has gotten severely overhyped in Toronto. He IS a good young piece, but it's no different than Reimer going into last year (coming off solid rookie season), Bozak the year before that (coming off solid rookie season), Schenn prior to that (coming off solid rookie season), etc. After their respective rookie seasons, they were all literally looked upon as #1 goalie, #1 Centre, and top pairing D respectively. Same has been applied to Gardiner.

He played well last year when used in relatively sheltered minutes. But with the increased pressure a regression in his game shouldnt have been considered out of the question. The injury just makes that even more likely.
So untrue.... Scouts/Fans and hockey media has been gushing about Gardiner all year even while he was in the AHL. He has great vision, amazing skating and a strong shot. He is far, far above your average prospect.

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I'm glad this is being brought up. I'm actually ok with keeping Gardiner down with the Marlies. 1) He didn't look up to speed with the Leafs this season and 2) we've seen players get struck with the sophomore slump all to often. Instead of leaving him out to dry with his post-concussion blues he's being brought along patiently. I like the way he's being handled, we need to keep putting rookies in positions where they can succeed.

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Why is he not on the Leafs? He declared good to go?. He's proven he can play in the NHL so why isn't he? SURELY he could help the PP. People complain about Dion's production but he can't do it all himself he needs help surely Gardiner would be a better fit on the PP then Kostka.
So rush him back after his concusion, when he clearly isnt ready?? That makes a world of sense, and the right way to develop young talented players.

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02-06-2013, 06:47 PM
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Nerve tissue = long healing process The last thing we should be doing is rushing someone who we've invested so much on.

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Nerve tissue = long healing process The last thing we should be doing is rushing someone who we've invested so much on.
If they have Gardiner playing for the Marlies because of his concussion issues that just makes no sense...

If he is still feeling ANY effects of the concussion/neck injury he shouldn't be playing anywhere. Period.

At this point in time, the PP has looked so pathetic, who cares if he isn't up to game speed. He wouldn't make the PP any worse than it already is. This team is losing games because of how bad their PP is. It's about time Gardiner is brought back up because the Leafs are in dire need of his services.

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Even without the concussion. This guy has gotten severely overhyped in Toronto. He IS a good young piece, but it's no different than Reimer going into last year (coming off solid rookie season), Bozak the year before that (coming off solid rookie season), Schenn prior to that (coming off solid rookie season), etc. After their respective rookie seasons, they were all literally looked upon as #1 goalie, #1 Centre, and top pairing D respectively. Same has been applied to Gardiner.

He played well last year when used in relatively sheltered minutes. But with the increased pressure a regression in his game shouldnt have been considered out of the question. The injury just makes that even more likely.
How is it that you came to the realization that a:

-22 1st round pick, coming off an all-rookie team in his first pro year and a concussion in a lockout induced stint in the minors

-23 year old mid round mid season injury call up goaltender

-19 year old first round pick straight out of junior

-23 year old undrafted college signee

are "no different" from one another in terms of expectations, upside, situation?

This level of simplification and stupidity is a little confusing. And pointless. You literally made the conversation worse with your silly attempt at pretending to be objective when in fact you were just ignorant.

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And let me add, how did you come to the realization that Gardiner was playing sheltered minutes last year when he was playing almost 22 minute a night on a bottom five NHL team? Playing the fourth most SH minutes on the team and only the seventh most PP time on the team, all the while in front of either Gustavsson, a concussed Reimer or Ben Scrivens? On a Ron Wilson coached team?

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