Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?

[Thomas L]

Since M4B's was so much better than my not-yet-complete High Noon / "Do not forsake me, O my Franchise" bit ...

Originally Posted by Major4Boarding

Submitted for board approval

Phoenix LXX: SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO

Oh yeeeeeaaaaah

Wooh!

Greg you got to let us know
Should they stay or should they go?
If you say "Stay" we'll be fine
As long as you meet that damn deadline
So you got to let us know
Should they stay or should they go?

Always lease lease lease
You’re happy when it's Bease
One day its verge, next day its track
So if you want us off your back
Well come on and let us know
Should they stay or should they go?

Should they stay or should they go now?
Should they stay or should they go now?
If they go there will be trouble
An’ if they stay it will be double
So come on and let us know!

This indecision’s bugging me
If you don’t want them, set them free
Exactly whom we supposed to believe
Don’t you know which lease even fits me?
Come on and let us know
Should you cool it or should you blow?

Spit!

Should they stay or should they go now?
Should they stay or should they go now?
If they go there will be trouble
An’ if they stay it will be double
So come on and let us know!

Should you own it or should you go?

And sorry Thomas L for usurping your post.


12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
1-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?


And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes

[farscape1]

Liked the other title better:


Phoenix LXX: SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO

[bruinsfan46]

Ken Campbell ‏@THNKenCampbell
From a source with close ties to NHL ownership on Greg Jamison: "He hasn't raised a dollar."

Poor Greg, coming up just a wee bit short.

[Acesolid]

No surprise!

Another owner comes, another owner falls, another owner comes.........

Just move the bloody team this off-season already!

[farscape1]

Originally Posted by bruinsfan46

Ken Campbell ‏@THNKenCampbell
From a source with close ties to NHL ownership on Greg Jamison: "He hasn't raised a dollar."

Poor Greg, coming up just a wee bit short.

I dont believe that, Jamison cant be that much of a liar to go around saying he is this close and such.

[Evil Doctor]

Originally Posted by farscape1

Liked the other title better:


Phoenix LXX: SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO

Should still be good for the next one...

[Evil Doctor]

Originally Posted by Acesolid

No surprise!

Another owner comes, another owner falls, another owner comes.........

Just move the bloody team this off-season already!

Well there is one surprise, Shannon might have gotten something right for once...

[matCH penalty]

Allow me to put on my best Killion hat...

Originally Posted by farscape1

I dont believe that, Jamison cant be that much of a liar to go around saying he is this close and such.

Stick around these parts a while, son... you'll lose that innocence and trusting nature soon enough. Everyone involved in this situation from the NHL and CoG on down, and I do mean down, is a scoundrel, liar, and borderline thief. That's how it goes in the desert.

Killion hat off.

[davemac1313]

Originally Posted by Evil Doctor

Should still be good for the next one...

in less than 12 hours I bet

[Killion]

Originally Posted by farscape1

I dont believe that, Jamison cant be that much of a liar to go around saying he is this close and such.

Ya I have a hard time buying that one myself. I mean seriously. Whats he going for, the team or a Golden Globe; Best Supporting Actor in a Very Nearly Non-speaking Role? Makes no sense.... but tell ya what, if Campbell's correct and it can be proven, all Hell's gonna break loose.

[Brodie]

Ken Campbell has a terrible track record thus far

[Charon of Styx]

Originally Posted by Acesolid

No surprise!

Another owner comes, another owner falls, another owner comes.........

Just move the bloody team this off-season already!

That reminds me- an awesome title would have been - Another one bites the dust

[farscape1]

If this goes on long enough this year,we will be coming up on the 5th year Anniversary!

[davemac1313]

Originally Posted by matCH penalty

Allow me to put on my best Killion hat...



Stick around these parts a while, son... you'll lose that innocence and trusting nature soon enough. Everyone involved in this situation from the NHL and CoG on down, and I do mean down, is a scoundrel, liar, and borderline thief. That's how it goes in the desert.

Killion hat off.

pretty good...just need a reference to the cocktail count of the day and your there....next you'll be a mod...and then not...and then a mod...and then not...I think he is at 1 mod per prospective buyer....so apparently tomorrow he'l be modding again...

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by farscape1

Liked the other title better:


Phoenix LXX: SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO

didn't we do that?

way back in the halcyon days of aught nine

[Glacial]

Originally Posted by Evil Doctor

Should still be good for the next one...

Will this thread even last 24 hours? The other title should be good for then. There's more than enough time. Jamison may have mere hours, but this multi-thread epic has all the time in the world. D-Day is upon us. Doomsday, Decision Day, Delirium Day, Desert Dog Day (these are the dog days of winter are they not?), take your pick.

[Killion]

Originally Posted by matCH penalty

Allow me to put on my best Killion hat... Killion hat off.

.... ya done me proud Son. You forgot the part about "since 1917" though, followed by the usual canonical recitations.

[matCH penalty]

Originally Posted by Killion

.... ya done me proud Son. You forgot the part about "since 1917" though, followed by the usual canonical recitations.

I'm honoured.

Thing is, I'm not even in disagreement or being that sarcastic. This is a story with a bunch of evil antagonists.

[Killion]

Originally Posted by davemac1313

pretty good...just need a reference to the cocktail count of the day and your there....next you'll be a mod...and then not...and then a mod...and then not...I think he is at 1 mod per prospective buyer....so apparently tomorrow he'l be modding again...

... odd that. Seems to coincide with the deliveries to my home from Peller Estates every 2 months or so. Pass out a Moderator, wake up fired... Im sure its just a coincidence.

[Hawker14]

Shane Doan must use the same "Due Diligence" firm as the NHL.

[Glacial]

Let's see... the shortest thread was Part XXV... 1 day. A few lasted 2 days (Parts I, XVIII, XXIX, LII). This is the Coyotes saga, history can repeat! Let's get to 1000 posts before Jamison even opens his mouth tomorrow!

[Fenway]

I am betting Jamison was a decoy until CBA was done.

Get the checkbook ready Quebecor.

[Llama19]

Title change?

I think I saw that exact sign in Jobing.com Arena...

http://sync.democraticunderground.co...05/21_stay.jpg

[GKJ]

The best part about this is that 95% (give or take) of people think this ends tomorrow. And it won't.

[objectiveposter]

as someone who has wanted the coyotes to move..this is the first time I feel genuinely sorry for Coyotes fans...no fans should have to put up with this crap...

...so who is going to cover losses for the team while the "mystery group" reworks a lease? I would love to hear Gary Bettman tell the BoG that the team still doesnt have an owner after nearly 4 years and, unlike the past 2 where Glendale was covering losses, now the owners once again have to pay the bills..its like 2010 all over again.