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01-30-2013, 10:55 PM
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Kadri and Frattin slowly earning the trust of coach Carlyle

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He wasn’t playing the body, Carlyle said. And, despite getting 56 games with the Leafs last season, he wasn’t making the team.

“When we sent him down, we told him he was an NHL player playing in the American Hockey League,” Carlyle explained. “But the issue was that in the week that he had with us, he didn’t demonstrate things that we thought were his strengths. We just made the decision that he didn’t earn the opportunity.”

“He’s open,” Frattin said of his relationship with Carlyle.

“If you have a question about what role you’re supposed to have, you can go ask him and he’s going to tell you straight up and be honest about it. You’ve just got to go out there and do it.”

Unlike Kadri, a 2009 first-round draft pick who has had to deal with plenty of expectations, Frattin is a much different story as a late-blooming fourth-rounder (2007).

Even though he’s 25, and Tuesday’s game was just his 60th in the NHL, he appears to have the foundation to be at minimum a productive third-line player.

Frattin finished his U.S. college hockey career with an incredible 60-point season (36 goals in 44 games), and whenever he has played in the minors, he has proven to be too good for that league. (Including playoffs, he has 33 goals in 57 AHL games.)

Carlyle watched a lot of Marlies games during the recent NHL lockout and noted that, heading into camp, he had wanted to try the Kadri-Frattin combination. “That was kind of a plan,” the coach said.

It didn’t work out that way immediately, but with Joffrey Lupul and Clarke MacArthur now out, the two close friends are now set to play together for a while.

The organization’s hope is that what is becoming a capable third line for the Leafs could, down the road, evolve into a dependable second line.

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Love the duo, right now our best Duo offensively, maybe all around too.

#1 Kadri-Frattin
#2 Grabo-Kuli
#3 Bozak Kessel

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i dont how this couldnt work:

kulemin grabovsky kessel

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i dont how this couldnt work:

kulemin grabovsky kessel
I'm sure it could, but why throw them all together? Better off spreading your talent out, makes it harder to defend. Have Kadri/Frattin together, Grabo/Kule together, and when healthy Lupul/Kessel together, and make everyone else fit in.

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Nazem was dating my cousin from brampton, I;ve played puck with him a few times. He also played ball hockey with our team! Really cool guy

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i find the bozak-kessel tandem frustrating,
bozak is a righthanded shot and needs to go to his backhand to pass to you know who

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i find the bozak-kessel tandem frustrating,
bozak is a righthanded shot and needs to go to his backhand to pass to you know who
Beginning of the season. Bozak is playing like a beast! Kessel is so unlucky, most shots without a goal, he'll get one soon.

They have chemistry. They are fine.

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Kessel started off unlucky, but now he's just playing frustrated.


He's taking Jason Blake shots, and trying to make too many cross ice passes to set teammates up when he should keep the puck and take a good shot.

You can see the frustration in his game. If he doesn't score soon he's going to just combust and this could be a long half season for him

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Thank god, an article from a respectable newspaper. Was going to go insane from all these retarded Toronto Star and Toronto Sun articles

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jvr kadri frattin will be an exciting line....

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jvr kadri frattin will be an exciting line....
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A guy who can go to the net at LW, a guy that can finish at RW, and great hands and vision in between them.

I can see production in the future with that, and with the way Carlyle mixes up his lines, we might not have to wait long.

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2 of the bright spots so far this season.
You can tell Kadri is getting on the coach's good side, his ice-time went from around 12 minutes a night the first 3 games to 16:30 in the last 3.

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They complement each other really well. Nice to hear that they are good friends off the ice as well.

I would like to see more of JVR on Kadris left wing. Looking at their ages and their style of play I think they could become a dynamic offensive weapon for us for a very long time.

Kadri have that edge to his game and I think that will ignite a player like JVR who on his day can be dominant but have issues of consistency. Frattin is one of those players who play bigger then he is. Hits and hustle and drives the net. Good shot to.

I am exited.

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+1

A guy who can go to the net at LW, a guy that can finish at RW, and great hands and vision in between them.

I can see production in the future with that, and with the way Carlyle mixes up his lines, we might not have to wait long.
I'd want this as well tbh, all three would be very well. One parks their ass in front of the net, one playmakes, one snipes. It's a great combo to have.

I'm glad these young ones are finally making their stamp, also patience is a virtue as I've stated before. Kadri toiling in the AHL has shown the improvement

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i find the bozak-kessel tandem frustrating,
bozak is a righthanded shot and needs to go to his backhand to pass to you know who
Grabovski/Kessel has been attempted many times in the past, all proving to be worse than a Bozak pairing.

It looks good on paper, but it looks horrible on this ice.

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Me either,but give Carlyle time,and you might see it.

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Grabo and Kessel has brutal chem, it's been done in the past.

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Grabo and Kessel has brutal chem, it's been done in the past.
Hopefully its done now so they further that chenistry while lupul's still out.

And when lupul's back, if grabo-kessel are doing well we can see lupul-grabo-kessel

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Bozak and Kessel are just friends, I don't know as to how much they actually produce well as a duo.

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Carlyle has learned to "play the kids" as in Kadri and Frattin that lead the Leafs team in scoring as a result.

If it weren't for those 2 players we would likely be 0-6-0 on the season.

Luckily change happened in TO, and Connolly and Lombardi are no longer occupying roster spots instead of the kids.

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20 points now in 60 career games. Frattins an NHLer 5 points in 3 games to start. Work hard and it pays off

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They complement each other really well. Nice to hear that they are good friends off the ice as well.

I would like to see more of JVR on Kadris left wing. Looking at their ages and their style of play I think they could become a dynamic offensive weapon for us for a very long time.

Kadri have that edge to his game and I think that will ignite a player like JVR who on his day can be dominant but have issues of consistency. Frattin is one of those players who play bigger then he is. Hits and hustle and drives the net. Good shot to.

I am exited.
I have not been impressed with JVR's defense.

Frattin seems okay defensively, but I'm not sure 3 just okay defensive players are the way to go.

Kulemin was always covering up for whatever line he plays on, the first back, the one that automatically dropped back when the defense pinched. I think Kadri-Frattin need that type of player on their line, and I don't see JVR being that player.

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