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06-22-2016, 12:18 PM
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CBJ Offseason '16 (All FA/trade/roster discussion/blog rumor/proposals/etc here)

Continued (or otherwise) from the "Roster Will Not Be The Same" thread. Enjoy.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...051701&page=40

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How much are we expecting Jones to get paid? Around the same time we traded or him Olli Masts got signed long term at 4m and some people expected similar for Jones (maybe more like 4.5). Then Portzline starts talking something to the tune of 6x6 (probably conjecture). Now people are talking about offer sheets in the 8m and beyond range. 😵

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Continued (or otherwise) from the "Roster Will Not Be The Same" thread. Enjoy.
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Bob rumored to be on trade lists. I guess his NMC kicks in for '16-'17 (unclear on this).

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How much are we expecting Jones to get paid? Around the same time we traded or him Olli Masts got signed long term at 4m and some people expected similar for Jones (maybe more like 4.5). Then Portzline starts talking something to the tune of 6x6 (probably conjecture). Now people are talking about offer sheets in the 8m and beyond range. ��
Jones is way ahead of Maatta in terms of both upside and current play. We maybe could have done $4m per for Jones on a three year deal, but it doesn't sound like short term is even being negotiated. 6 x 6 is the most realistic in my view, though I'd prefer 6m x 8 years.

In terms of comparables the best recent comparison is the Morgan Rielly contract at 5m x 6. They're at a similar level now but Jones has higher upside and we should expect to pay more than that on a long term deal.


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Jones is way ahead of Maatta in terms of both upside and current play. We maybe could have done $4m per for Jones on a three year deal, but it doesn't sound like short term is even being negotiated. 6 x 6 is the most realistic in my view, though I'd prefer 6m x 8 years.

In terms of comparables the best recent comparison is the Morgan Rielly contract at 5m x 6. They're at a similar level now but Jones has higher upside and we should expect to pay more than that on a long term deal.
I don't like giving a lot of term, but I also don't think he is worth $6 million. I'd give him more term if he agrees to take less money.

I'd give him $5.5 million for 8 years or $6 million for 6 years. I'd prefer $5 million for 8 years or $5.5 million for 6 years.


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Bob rumored to be on trade lists. I guess his NMC kicks in for '16-'17 (unclear on this).
No way he gets traded.

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I don't like giving a lot of term, but I also don't think he is worth $6 million. I'd give him more term if he agrees to take less money.

I don't know the rules on how contracts have to be structured, but maybe something like this.
His prime is at the end of the contract, so it's the other way around. If we were signing a 26 year old I'd agree with you.

Also just put in the AAV. Don't make me do all that math.

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Jenner did not have a good year defensively. He was missing assignments and drifting up ice at times.
This was crap, Everyone on the damn team, especially the young kids were "missing assignments" - Foligno included. That's called youth.

Jenner was better than most and I maintain he was fine. There is room for improvement, but I would expect nothing less.

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This was crap, Everyone on the damn team, especially the young kids were "missing assignments" - Foligno included. That's called youth.

Jenner was better than most and I maintain he was fine. There is room for improvement, but I would expect nothing less.
I disagree. Some did miss more assignments than others, and Jenner was one of those guys.

I'm not down on Jenner as a player. He's doing an amazing job for his age and I expect him to be a very good defensive player when it's all said and done.

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His prime is at the end of the contract, so it's the other way around. If we were signing a 26 year old I'd agree with you.

Also just put in the AAV. Don't make me do all that math.
My point is the more years he gets, the less I'd paid him. It was $5.5 million for 8 years or $6 million for 6 years.

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No way he gets traded.
And yet Andersen got traded and I don't see a lot of differences in the circumstances other than Bob is far less consistent but a bit better when he's on - however inconsistently that result happens.

I don't see many absolutes with a team picking #3 in the draft.

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Bob - No one wants him for that salary and his injury history. Maybe if he has a great season.

Jones - For his potential yes he's worth a lot. But he hasn't exactly been a great NHL player? So I doubt if we go long term with him unless it's a $5.5M deal.

**He was a 3rd pairing d-man for most of his time with Nashville and I understand he was behind some really good players, but if you have someone that good you make room for him, not trade him.

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Jones is way ahead of Maatta in terms of both upside and current play. We maybe could have done $4m per for Jones on a three year deal, but it doesn't sound like short term is even being negotiated. 6 x 6 is the most realistic in my view, though I'd prefer 6m x 8 years.

In terms of comparables the best recent comparison is the Morgan Rielly contract at 5m x 6. They're at a similar level now but Jones has higher upside and we should expect to pay more than that on a long term deal.
I agree, We should lock him up for as long as possible for as little as possible. If we could get him for 5.5 great but the difference of 500k per year is bupkis in terms of the cap.

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Jones - For his potential yes he's worth a lot. But he hasn't exactly been a great NHL player? So I doubt if we go long term with him unless it's a $5.5M deal.

**He was a 3rd pairing d-man for most of his time with Nashville and I understand he was behind some really good players, but if you have someone that good you make room for him, not trade him.


The only reason Jones was available at all was because Nashville desperately needed a #1C - and at first he WASN'T available; Poile kept saying over and over that he would not be traded, but was eventually worn down by Kekalainen. Trying to spin that as "there's something wrong with Jones" is ****ing asinine.

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Bob - No one wants him for that salary and his injury history. Maybe if he has a great season.

Jones - For his potential yes he's worth a lot. But he hasn't exactly been a great NHL player? So I doubt if we go long term with him unless it's a $5.5M deal.

**He was a 3rd pairing d-man for most of his time with Nashville and I understand he was behind some really good players, but if you have someone that good you make room for him, not trade him.
It's a good thing Jones was behind Weber and Josi. It means he was being developed properly and not rushed.

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I would love to see something like:

To Buffalo: Tyutin (30% retained)
To CBJ: 3rd round pick 2017

To Nashville: Hartnell (30% retained)
To CBJ: 2nd round pick 2017, 4th round pick 2016

To Boston: Campbell
To CBJ: 6th round pick 2016

To Chicago: Boll(30% retained)
To CBJ: Future Considerations

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I would love to see something like:

To Buffalo: Tyutin (30% retained)
To CBJ: 3rd round pick 2017

To Nashville: Hartnell (30% retained)
To CBJ: 2nd round pick 2017, 4th round pick 2016

To Boston: Campbell
To CBJ: 6th round pick 2016

To Chicago: Boll(30% retained)
To CBJ: Future Considerations
Who wouldn't. Not sure why the other teams would do it. Also, I thought teams could only retain money on 2 contracts at one time? Plus, that is a lot of money to retain.

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why would Chicago want Boll even with retention??

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Yeah Id switch Chicago to Montreal because Bergevin has had some weird love for size and grit because of the Bruins

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I would love to see something like:

To Buffalo: Tyutin (30% retained)
To CBJ: 3rd round pick 2017

To Nashville: Hartnell (30% retained)
To CBJ: 2nd round pick 2017, 4th round pick 2016

To Boston: Campbell
To CBJ: 6th round pick 2016

To Chicago: Boll(30% retained)
To CBJ: Future Considerations
We'd have to retain 50% to have any chance of moving Tyutin.

Hartnell at 30% is too much retention.

Boston didn't want Campbell back, and they were right.

No one wants Boll. Teams have scouts.

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Jones - For his potential yes he's worth a lot. But he hasn't exactly been a great NHL player? So I doubt if we go long term with him unless it's a $5.5M deal.

**He was a 3rd pairing d-man for most of his time with Nashville and I understand he was behind some really good players, but if you have someone that good you make room for him, not trade him.
They didn't try to trade him. They said no to trading him over and over again for years, even for a #1C, until Johansen was available, and one day they said yes. You think trading him for Johansen is a sign he won't be worth that much? You don't think Johansen will be making $6m++ on his next deal?

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I would love to see something like:

To Nashville: Hartnell (30% retained)
To CBJ: 2nd round pick 2017, 4th round pick 2016
Just happened to see this and FWIW I'd probably do it if we (Nashville) strike out on Okposo/Lucic/Eriksson. Probably wouldn't before FA though.

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Bob - No one wants him for that salary and his injury history. Maybe if he has a great season.
People get desperate, especially if you are willing to eat some of the salary. There are a few teams looking for goaltending.

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A little sanity, please...

Flames fan coming in peace.

Over on the main boards there are several threads "discussing" trade scenarios between the two clubs. Unfortunately, before any real discussion takes place, it devolves into insults and posturing.

It's not my intention to start another one, but I had a couple questions and figure I'd take it to the people who could best answer it. I don't get to see the Jackets much, so please forgive my ignorance on players value or your team needs.

One of the more intriguing ideas is a deal around:

3rd overall and Bobrovsky for the 6th overall +

Calgary needs a starting goalie and it appears Columbus is in need of some cap space and getting rid of a NMC.

Here are my questions;

Is Bobrovsky a cap dump? I thought he was one of the top goalies in the league a couple years ago?

Second, assuming Puljujarvi and Nylander are the picks at 3 and 6 respectively, is getting rid of Bobrovsky's cap hit and freeing up a spot (to protect another player in the expansion draft) worth the downgrade from Puljujarvi to Nylander for Columbus?

This seems like it could benefit both teams. Picks and players could be adler to both sides. Am I off on this?

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