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Why was Brad Boyes so undervalued early in his career?

Early on, Brad Boyes put on some pretty amazing numbers in junior. He led his junior team in scoring in his draft year and pretty much had the numbers to be a top 10 pick, yet he fell to 24th. Then the Leafs traded him away in the package for Owen Nolan before Boyes even played a single game for them. Then the Sharks traded him after he played one NHL game for Jeff Jillson. Ultimately, Boyes did turn out to be a pretty good player but I am just wondering why many teams appeared to undervalue Boyes early on in his career.

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One dimensional skill player.

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He turned out to be a one dimensional skill player, but from what I can recall, he was considered a fairly good two-way player and leader in junior. I think he turned out a bit above average for a 24th pick, but not as good as I expected following his last two years of junior. I also think that he was getting ranked ahead of earlier drafted players in THN future watch 02 and 03.

Him being traded in the Nolan deal had nothing to do with him being undervalued. The leafs fan base bled the day we made that deal. We were happy to get Nolan, but understood we had to give to get, and just wished it wasn't Boyes.

Why did San Jose trade him? That I'm not sure about.

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Boyes often reminded me of Marleau without the size, speed, effort and defensive commitment of Patty.

He often floated into open areas by the crease and buried loose pucks. On a bad night he looked he was literally just standing around. He had a good shot and on shootouts he often scored by releasing it at the last moment.

He wasn't a great passer, didn't display great vision or quickness in decision making and often looked lackadaisical. He had skill, no doubt, but he often appeared not 'in' the game.

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Why did San Jose trade him? That I'm not sure about.
One of Dean Lombardi's last moves as Sharks GM was the Nolan for Boyes+ trade. Doug Wilson took over a few months later, so perhaps he didn't value Boyes the same as Lombardi might have.

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Smarting from the loss of Marco Sturm to a season-ending ankle injury, the San Jose Sharks acquired two-way forward Curtis Brown. "He possesses speed, versatility and character and can play any style of hockey," general manager Doug Wilson said in statement.
San Jose rebounded from a Murphy's Law type year and were en route to a division title.

They might have panicked a bit after losing Sturm and viewed Brown as a suitable short term replacement. Brown was a few years removed from his peak offensive years but I seem to recall him as a respected 3rd line guy. The tough aspect of the trade was that Brown was 28 years old at the time. Under the old CBA, the Sharks might have expected to have his rights until he was 31.

After the lockout, Brown signed with Chicago but was bought out the following year and returned to San Jose. But by then, it seemed like Brown was better suited for the pre-lockout style of play.

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One of Dean Lombardi's last moves as Sharks GM was the Nolan for Boyes+ trade. Doug Wilson took over a few months later, so perhaps he didn't value Boyes the same as Lombardi might have.
Actually it was the Nolan for a 1st round pick, McCauley and Boyes trade. McCauley then quickly became a Selke finalist in San Jose. Boyes was the least significant part of that trade.

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Actually it was the Nolan for a 1st round pick, McCauley and Boyes trade. McCauley then quickly became a Selke finalist in San Jose. Boyes was the least significant part of that trade.
I thought it was a terrible trade for the Leafs. A young Boyes, McCauley and a 1st for Owen Nolan, who at that time, had been having back issues, and was in his 30's. Awful trade by Pat Quinn.

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I thought it was a terrible trade for the Leafs. A young Boyes, McCauley and a 1st for Owen Nolan, who at that time, had been having back issues, and was in his 30's. Awful trade by Pat Quinn.
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One dimensional skill player.
pretty much this. Also--he lucked out in St Louis where he got put on lines with players that were above average and when he was taken away from the top line his numbers flatlined

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pretty much this. Also--he lucked out in St Louis where he got put on lines with players that were above average and when he was taken away from the top line his numbers flatlined
Boyes was/is an player that will only succeed in an certain enviroment, I agree. But saying someone lucked out when he lead that team in scoring two straight years, the last with 18 points, is udnerselling him to me. Even if you of course have an point

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Actually it was the Nolan for a 1st round pick, McCauley and Boyes trade. McCauley then quickly became a Selke finalist in San Jose. Boyes was the least significant part of that trade.
Unfortunately for McCauley, concussions really derailed his career after he had that breakout year in 2004. After that he only had 86 games left in him as a hockey player.

I'd say the Nolan and Leetch trades were kind of pointless and "Leafy" in hindsight, but also worth mentioning that the pieces the Leafs gave up didn't help their trade partners very much in the long run either. Given how the Leafs went in the toilet after the lockout, the loss of all those futures just felt more significant.

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I'd say the Nolan and Leetch trades were kind of pointless and "Leafy" in hindsight, but also worth mentioning that the pieces the Leafs gave up didn't help their trade partners very much in the long run either. Given how the Leafs went in the toilet after the lockout, the loss of all those futures just felt more significant.
At least the Nolan trade made sense on paper. He was going to give the Leafs something they didn't have (a big, strong power forward who could score.)

The Brian Leetch trade was totally baffling. The Leafs, at the time of the trade, had the highest scoring defense in the league. So what do they go out and acquire at the trade deadline? A scoring defensemen.

It made no sense at all and didn't address a need and instead added to a strength they should have been dealing from.

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Actually it was the Nolan for a 1st round pick, McCauley and Boyes trade. McCauley then quickly became a Selke finalist in San Jose. Boyes was the least significant part of that trade.
Jeez, I'd completely forgotten McCauley had that huge year in San Jose.

As for Boyes, he was a talented but small/slow/soft prospect coming up at the height of the Dead Puck Era, and probably rated down a bit by a couple organizations as a result.

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