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02-03-2013, 01:17 PM
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Get a clue bro, OEL is a #1 D in every sense of the word. You could argue Yandle is their pure offensive D-man. OEL is everything I want in a defenseman. He shuts down, he hits, he QBs the pp, he's got an excellent pass.
Did I say OEL was a pure-offensive D-man? where if so? You need to get a clue, OEL isn't all that physical.. Not to say he soft, but hes no Pronger or somebody.

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What?

How many 21-22 year olds have scored 36goals?

Kessel at that age was twice the player OEL is at this age.

edit: HockeyDB says he was 20 the year he scored 36. Not sure which one is correct.
The bolded is extremely laughable, especially when you are using points as your criteria.

I could just as easily say: how many defense-men establish themselves at 21-22 years old as a #1 d-man playing in all situations, and as a franchise player?

Nevertheless, this whole comparison is retarded.

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Who's going to play D in the top 4? lol
Um. OEL will? Phaneuf will?

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Honestly though, could you imagine a top 4 of OEL, Phaneuf, Rielly, Gardiner...

Then for your bottom two options you get to choose from Gunnarsson, Liles, Percy, Finn.
The pairings will not work out like that.

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It really doesnt make sense with Gardiner and Rielly likely up next season. If we were going to offersheet anyone it shouldve been Benn.
The Leafs need a #1 d-man. OEL is a #1 d-man. This is a perfect fit.

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Our defense is stocked full of NHL calibre guys. But I'd say outside of Dion, we don't really have any other top pairing quality guys. I'd say one area of need is getting a guy to play with Dion. We've also got fantastic depth in our D prospect pool.
I would imagine every NHL team has NHL caliber guys on their team. So the Leafs do not exactly have anything that other teams do not.

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So media outlets would tell you.

The guys plays in phoenix, If he played here people would find something to ***** about. T.O eats defensemen.
Not true at all, unless Leaf fans have some different conception of what a good d-man is that transcends reality.

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Yes he looks like a good defenseman and I think he's got serious potential. But he wasn't even in the top50 for defenseman ice-time last season. Also, he was used the least amount per game of all PHX dmen on the PK. A no1 dman plays in all situations; not just ES and PP.

He looks promising, but he's far from a #1 D. A 20yo scoring 36 goals is certainly a stronger performance.
You clearly did not watch the playoffs at all, where his play has now carried over to this season. He is playing in all situations and excelling.

He is every sense of the word a #1 d-man.

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I agree. But what about ones that play ES and PP only?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...012&gameType=2

Shows that he clearly plays on the PK, PP, and ES.

It also shows that he played more as the season went on, cultivating in him turning into a #1 d-man over the course of the playoffs. That play has now carried over to this season.

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There were also 5 other defensemen used on PHX's PK ahead of him.

I'm not saying he's not on his way to being a good top pairing defenseman. I'm just saying he hasn't solidified himself has a slam dunk No1 defenseman.
I don't think Karlsson or Pietrangelo led their teams in all of ES, PP, and PK-time during the course of the season, and they are considered to be #1 d-man.

Again, OEL is not far off their pace.

Given Phoenix's financial circumstances, the Leafs need for a #1 d-man (or a player who is establishing himself as one in the NHL, if you will), and the Leafs being better than they were when they sent an offer-sheet to Kessel, this move makes way too much sense.


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The bolded is extremely laughable, especially when you are using points as your criteria.

I could just as easily say: how many defense-men establish themselves at 21-22 years old as a #1 d-man playing in all situations, and as a franchise player?

Nevertheless, this whole comparison is retarded.

I agree. But what about ones that play ES and PP only?

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02-03-2013, 01:20 PM
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If that were to be the case, Then I look forward to the constant *****ing and moaning about giving more draft picks for 21 year olds.
Who cares. The Leafs with Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Grabovski, Kulemin, Kadri, Frattin, Phaneuf, OEL, Gardiner, and Rielly are infinitely better than the team that went out and traded for Kessel..

The main reason why OEL makes more sense than any other RFA is the simple fact that Phoenix cannot afford elite players.

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Did I say OEL was a pure-offensive D-man? where if so? You need to get a clue, OEL isn't all that physical.. Not to say he soft, but hes no Pronger or somebody.
We shouldn't want a physical guy lining up next to Phaneuf. A cerebral all-around guy would be perfect.

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02-03-2013, 01:24 PM
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If we are able to draft a big time centre this year, I am fine with offer-sheeting OEL...or Pietrangelo

Phaneuf-OEL/Pietrangelo
Gardiner-Gunnarsson
Rielly-Whoever

Is the best d corps we have had in...ever?
This is what im thinking. If Barkov or Monahan slip to us (Dont see us being bottom 5), then it makes a lot of sense.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...012&gameType=2

Shows that he clearly plays on the PK, PP, and ES.

It also shows that he played more as the season went on, cultivating in him turning into a #1 d-man over the course of the playoffs. That play has now carried over to this season.
There were also 5 other defensemen used on PHX's PK ahead of him.

I'm not saying he's not on his way to being a good top pairing defenseman. I'm just saying he hasn't solidified himself has a slam dunk No1 defenseman.

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Who cares. The Leafs with Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Grabovski, Kulemin, Kadri, Frattin, Phaneuf, OEL, Gardiner, and Rielly are infinitely better than the team that went out and traded for Kessel..

The main reason why OEL makes more sense than any other RFA is the simple fact that Phoenix cannot afford elite players.
I myself don't have a problem with offer sheeting OEL, But some people will.


The one issue I think that will come up is people understand the predicament that Don Maloney is in with Phoenix, And no GM including Nonis will be cold enough to offer sheet OEL.

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Despite losing last night in a very tight game i thought we did well..

Looking ahead it looks like we might not get that top 5 draft choice many had counted on to land the #1 C this team needs badly

This presents a big problem as were going to have to trade or sign that player

Is Getzlaf going to come here?? Its looking less likely now that Burke is gone and Carlyle is the coach...

That means a trade....so were going to lose assets, key assets to get that player...

Not the ideal scenario...

Unless the following would be possible and digestible to fans mgmt alike

We finish 8th last

The top 5 selections

Jones
McKinnon
Barkov
Droin
Monahan

Would you trade Phil Kessel straight up for #3 selection and draft Barkov , then with our turn select Hunter Shinkaruk or Valeri Nichushkin both elite scoring wingers like Kessel

Would we better off post trade with

Barkov & Shinkaruk getting our #1C and a winger of similar talent to Kessel?

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I myself don't have a problem with offer sheeting OEL, But some people will.


The one issue I think that will come up is people understand the predicament that Don Maloney is in with Phoenix, And no GM including Nonis will be cold enough to offer sheet OEL.
Looking at Phionex's cap situation, they have 15 FA (Both RFA and UFA). Korpikoski and Smith are the only real notables but they will require a hefty paycheck (by a struggling teams standards). You may be able to get it done at 5 million and keep the 2nd

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I myself don't have a problem with offer sheeting OEL, But some people will.


The one issue I think that will come up is people understand the predicament that Don Maloney is in with Phoenix, And no GM including Nonis will be cold enough to offer sheet OEL.
Paul Holmgren will.

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Phoenix would demand Gardiner or phaneuf coming back.

Phaneuf, Percy/Finn, colborne, 3rd and we eat some of phaneufs cap for OEL

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Paul Holmgren will.
Maybe, If he has a job.

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If any general manager cannot use his financial advantage to land a good player, then he ought to quit his job and become a priest, where he can put his morality front and center.

I'm dead serious.

Enough of this crap about respecting other franchises. You all are being cultured around one big giant lie, known as 'equality', to keep the strong and rich down. The Leafs already pay to keep the Coyotes on life-support, what more do they want?

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I myself don't have a problem with offer sheeting OEL, But some people will.


The one issue I think that will come up is people understand the predicament that Don Maloney is in with Phoenix, And no GM including Nonis will be cold enough to offer sheet OEL.
Like noone was cold enough to offer sheet Weber?

If its a move that sets up Toronto as a top team for the forseeable future, I have no clue why Nonis wouldn't do it. See how he plays for the rest of the year, and then offer him 7 mil for 6.

As much as the offense needs a big center, if we can add a defense that is one step above Dion our team would be a lot better. Having two guys that can play 25 mins a game and be that effective would be sweet.

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Phoenix would demand Gardiner or phaneuf coming back.

Phaneuf, Percy/Finn, colborne, 3rd and we eat some of phaneufs cap for OEL
If that's all it would take to land Larsson, Dave Nonis would have to be retarded not to pull the trigger.

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Like noone was cold enough to offer sheet Weber?

If its a move that sets up Toronto as a top team for the forseeable future, I have no clue why Nonis wouldn't do it. See how he plays for the rest of the year, and then offer him 7 mil for 6.

As much as the offense needs a big center, if we can add a defense that is one step above Dion our team would be a lot better. Having two guys that can play 25 mins a game and be that effective would be sweet.
On guy, Holmgren. And it took the best defenseman in the NHL to make him do it.


Offer sheet just don't happen, Mainly due to the inflation of contracts that ensues after one is done.

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On guy, Holmgren. And it took the best defenseman in the NHL to make him do it.


Offer sheet just don't happen, Mainly due to the inflation of contracts that ensues after one is done.
The jury's still out on that one.

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On guy, Holmgren. And it took the best defenseman in the NHL to make him do it.


Offer sheet just don't happen, Mainly due to the inflation of contracts that ensues after one is done.
Holmgren is a special breed thou.He's not afraid to make a move.

I agree they don't, but I think this summer could be the one in which our team is actually in a situation where we could make one and not be screwed or worried about giving up a top ten pick.

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Maybe, If he has a job.
Burke will be the next Philly GM if Hommer gets canned...

Book that!

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If that's all it would take to land Larsson, Dave Nonis would have to be retarded not to pull the trigger.
Could make some sense, leafs may have to add a bit. Id rather that than give up a 1st in an offer sheet.

Phoenix might look for a big splash to bring some excitement to the city. Bringing in phaneuf could help.

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Highly doubt the team moves it's best player/asset right before it is sold/moved.

ATL did it with Kovy but he was going to walk. OEL is still under PHX control for years.

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Phoenix would demand Gardiner or phaneuf coming back.

Phaneuf, Percy/Finn, colborne, 3rd and we eat some of phaneufs cap for OEL
Where do I sign?

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On all this OEL talk... I agree that he would be a perfect fit BUT the only way i would acquire him is through an offer sheet!

Offer OEL $6.5 over 7 years

in return PHX would get 1st,2nd,3rd in 2014

i make that offer in a heartbeat

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