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02-06-2013, 09:45 AM
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I do understand your point BUT

There is going to have to be a middle period in all this.

Teams just don't go from being a bottom feeder to cup contender in the span of a season or 2.

There is going to be some middle of the road (aka, just make the POs) in there somewhere.
I'd rather the middle period be earned not purchased.

Buying mediocre players can make a difference, but I don't think they are the difference makers ... if you know what I mean.

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02-06-2013, 09:53 AM
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I would do it for anyone but Kessel, Kadri and Rielly. Everyone else is expendable for Ovi.

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02-06-2013, 09:56 AM
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newsflash: Kessel is better than Ovechkin. Has been for the last two years at least.

Ovechkin has "history" but watching him over the past two seasons, well, he's been horrible. If it was any other player, he would have been "cheechood" out of this league.

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just think of how more effective Ovy would be then Kessel... if you have watched the last couple games you will see points where Kessel can easily take his check and go away with the puck but he skates around the opposing player and they head up the ice.... I can atleast see Ovechkin finishing his check and moving the puck to another player or controlling the zone alot better then kessel, all he does is come off the side boards and shoot into traffic or float around the zone waiting for the puck

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just think of how more effective Ovy would be then Kessel... if you have watched the last couple games you will see points where Kessel can easily take his check and go away with the puck but he skates around the opposing player and they head up the ice.... I can atleast see Ovechkin finishing his check and moving the puck to another player or controlling the zone alot better then kessel, all he does is come off the side boards and shoot into traffic or float around the zone waiting for the puck
Or missing the puck, and not back checking and it results in a goal? Yeah that's Ovechkin for you lately. He's not very interested at all. He's got a 9 million dollar price tag and he's not producing. People are complaining about Phil not producing at 5.4, there'd be an uproar if Ovechkin was on this team. Come on now guys. Even my offer was a joke. You think Luongo hinders this team? How about a player getting paid like he's the best in the World but not being anywhere close?? That doesn't even make sense. You guys are nuts.

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02-06-2013, 10:00 AM
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Don't think Shero needs to scout Kulemin. He's seen what he can do when he scouted Malkin.

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Ovechkin > Kessel in my opinion. Even though they play pretty similar, just the size and strength alone make him more valuable to this team then Kessel.

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02-06-2013, 10:04 AM
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Ovechkin > Kessel in my opinion. Even though they play pretty similar, just the size and strength alone make him more valuable to this team then Kessel.
He makes almost 2x more than Kessel.

Kessel at 5.4 > Ovechkin at 9.5M for another ~9 years...he will be making 9.5M when he's 33-35... he's going to be a 60 point guy at best then.

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02-06-2013, 10:08 AM
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I have proposed this trade for Ovechkin before.


Rielly, Biggs, Percy, 1st round pick.


Ovechkin

Salary cap wise, add in Komisarek or something or have Washington retain some of Ovys salary. I really think nows the time Ovechkin is touchable, and I believe we get the best player in the deal. Everyone has forgotten how talented Ovechkin actually is. I believe Carlyle would get this guy going again, plus Carlyle is a players coach.

Kessel and Ovy both on the same team, heck on our 1st and 2nd lines would make us dangerous. And I really think Ovy can turn it around, he is only 27 years old.

Our PP would improve with Ovy. No doubt about it. Put him where Kessel is now on the PP because Kessel can't do one timer slapshots and throw Kessel on the other side, lots of options with Ovechkin, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, Grabovski, JVR, and Kulemin as our forwards.

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Don't think Shero needs to scout Kulemin. He's seen what he can do when he scouted Malkin.
Possibly but it may be a bigger deal, involving one of the young marlie defencemen and that may be the focus of the scouts but because they had two of their top scouts at the game, it does ramp up the speculation and Simon Despres also has some interest to me.

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02-06-2013, 10:10 AM
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Ovechkin has always loved the Maple Leafs ever since he was a kid. Just sayinnnnnnn

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He is a proven game changer, 59 points in 51 playoff games, 4 time 50 goal scorer, 1 time 65 goals, 2 each of Hart and Rocket Richard trophies, etc.

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Pittsburgh may be looking to get a winger to play with Malkin and it was reported last year they may have offered a 1st rounder for Kulemin.

I'm wondering if they may do a Brandon Sutter for Kulemin deal and though I would hate losing Kulemin, Sutter is a 6'.3" center with some finish and is only 23.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/pit130205.html
No chance they give up Sutter. That C depth is more important than finding a winger for Malkin.

I would do a 1st rounder for Kulie + a d prospect. Maybe 1st + Harrington.

To me, with Komarov now in the fold, Kulie has become less important. It would put Mac back into an integral role as a winger as well.

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I have proposed this trade for Ovechkin before.


Rielly, Biggs, Percy, 1st round pick.


Ovechkin

Salary cap wise, add in Komisarek or something or have Washington retain some of Ovys salary. I really think nows the time Ovechkin is touchable, and I believe we get the best player in the deal. Everyone has forgotten how talented Ovechkin actually is. I believe Carlyle would get this guy going again, plus Carlyle is a players coach.

Kessel and Ovy both on the same team, heck on our 1st and 2nd lines would make us dangerous. And I really think Ovy can turn it around, he is only 27 years old.

Our PP would improve with Ovy. No doubt about it. Put him where Kessel is now on the PP because Kessel can't do one timer slapshots and throw Kessel on the other side, lots of options with Ovechkin, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, Grabovski, JVR, and Kulemin as our forwards.
As a Leaf fan I would want no part of that deal.

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He is a proven game changer, 59 points in 51 playoff games, 4 time 50 goal scorer, 1 time 65 goals, 2 each of Hart and Rocket Richard trophies, etc.
Hasn't done any of that in 3 years.

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02-06-2013, 10:14 AM
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I have proposed this trade for Ovechkin before.


Rielly, Biggs, Percy, 1st round pick.


Ovechkin

Salary cap wise, add in Komisarek or something or have Washington retain some of Ovys salary. I really think nows the time Ovechkin is touchable, and I believe we get the best player in the deal. Everyone has forgotten how talented Ovechkin actually is. I believe Carlyle would get this guy going again, plus Carlyle is a players coach.

Kessel and Ovy both on the same team, heck on our 1st and 2nd lines would make us dangerous. And I really think Ovy can turn it around, he is only 27 years old.

Our PP would improve with Ovy. No doubt about it. Put him where Kessel is now on the PP because Kessel can't do one timer slapshots and throw Kessel on the other side, lots of options with Ovechkin, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, Grabovski, JVR, and Kulemin as our forwards.
Trading our future for players on the decline.. This is not a recording.

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Why are people here proposing for Ovechkin now?

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02-06-2013, 10:20 AM
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I have proposed this trade for Ovechkin before.


Rielly, Biggs, Percy, 1st round pick.


Ovechkin

Salary cap wise, add in Komisarek or something or have Washington retain some of Ovys salary. I really think nows the time Ovechkin is touchable, and I believe we get the best player in the deal. Everyone has forgotten how talented Ovechkin actually is. I believe Carlyle would get this guy going again, plus Carlyle is a players coach.

Kessel and Ovy both on the same team, heck on our 1st and 2nd lines would make us dangerous. And I really think Ovy can turn it around, he is only 27 years old.

Our PP would improve with Ovy. No doubt about it. Put him where Kessel is now on the PP because Kessel can't do one timer slapshots and throw Kessel on the other side, lots of options with Ovechkin, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, Grabovski, JVR, and Kulemin as our forwards.
Switch Rielly with Gardiner and I am sold.

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02-06-2013, 10:22 AM
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There's no way Pittsburgh trades Sutter for Kulemin now. Makes absolutely no sense. Most likely a 1st + prospect.

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really? news to me.

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Why would a rebuilding team mortgage the future for Ovechkin?

I think you trade future assets for him if you're going for the cup and believe he can push your team over the top, and that's definately not us at the moment. Just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense for us right now.

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I've been thinking of a possible Kulemin to Pittsburgh deal for a while.

Brian Dumoulin
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Nikolai Kulemin

I think this works for both sides. Leafs get a future top 4 D-man with size and a fairly high pick in the next years draft. Gives us a chance to graduate a younger guy like Carter Ashton, Joe Colborne or Jerry D'Amigo from the Marlies.

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Why would a rebuilding team mortgage the future for Ovechkin?

I think you trade future assets for him if you're going for the cup and believe he can push your team over the top, and that's definately not us at the moment. Just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense for us right now.
We certainly aren't the team for him. We need more young assets than trading them.

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02-06-2013, 10:32 AM
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I've been thinking of a possible Kulemin to Pittsburgh deal for a while.

Brian Dumoulin
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Nikolai Kulemin

I think this works for both sides. Leafs get a future top 4 D-man with size and a fairly high pick in the next years draft. Gives us a chance to graduate a younger guy like Carter Ashton, Joe Colborne or Jerry D'Amigo from the Marlies.
1st + Dumoulin would definitely give us something to think about IMO

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I have proposed this trade for Ovechkin before.


Rielly, Biggs, Percy, 1st round pick.


Ovechkin

Salary cap wise, add in Komisarek or something or have Washington retain some of Ovys salary. I really think nows the time Ovechkin is touchable, and I believe we get the best player in the deal. Everyone has forgotten how talented Ovechkin actually is. I believe Carlyle would get this guy going again, plus Carlyle is a players coach.

Kessel and Ovy both on the same team, heck on our 1st and 2nd lines would make us dangerous. And I really think Ovy can turn it around, he is only 27 years old.

Our PP would improve with Ovy. No doubt about it. Put him where Kessel is now on the PP because Kessel can't do one timer slapshots and throw Kessel on the other side, lots of options with Ovechkin, Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, Grabovski, JVR, and Kulemin as our forwards.


And I'll say it again: Horrible. Brutal. Just horrible.

Why in god's name are we giving away 4 first round picks for a player on a massive decline, on a horribly long contract? This is absolutely the worst of ALL proposals on HFboards - probably one of the worst ideas ever.

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Trading our future for players on the decline.. This is not a recording.
This x100000.

Can't believe people would even consider this after seeing the likes of Hamilton, Seguin, Rask and Couture evolve from our charity. Get a grip.

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