HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

*ALL* Luongo Talk (News/Speculation/Rumors/Proposals)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-05-2013, 04:59 PM
  #776
arsmaster
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 16,815
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveleaf View Post
He looks great this year. He was fighting it though in the Olympics. He was fighting it game 3,4 and 6 in Boston and a number of games against the Hawks. I'm not here to cause a **** storm. I like Lou, just think he needs other guys to take the heat off of him.
You're just making statements without any backing.

He was 5-0 in the Olympic games....the weight of a country was on him.

Game 6 against Chicago he came off the bench, gave up an OT winner on a rebound....

EVERY goalie needs guys to take the heat off them, their called the forwards and defense....if they score, the heat is taken off, if they don't miss assignments the heat is taken off....

I'll stop now, I'm so tired of this....

arsmaster is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:00 PM
  #777
vanwest
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,109
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by President Van Buren View Post
The 8 fantastic saves gave them a point.
Isn't that the exact same basis on which people criticize Luongo though. Every time he lets in a bad goal he gets crucified. One of those goals on Dubnyk was from the goal line and the other was a weak shot from the point.

vanwest is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:03 PM
  #778
Realm
Registered User
 
Realm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,362
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsmaster View Post
2 stinkers last night cost their team two points.
Oilers got a point.

Realm is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:06 PM
  #779
Bleach Clean
Registered User
 
Bleach Clean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 15,303
vCash: 500
Since I passed on a Kuzma report in this thread about Gillis attending the FLA/WPG game, I think it best to retract it now: Kuzma "_suggested_" Gillis is going to possibly go to the FLA/WPG game next. He didn't confirm it. As we find out today from McKenzie, Gillis is instead going to the Rangers/Devils game. Just FYI.


The direct quote:


Quote:
Gillis/Gilman should also be in Wpg on Tuesday for Panthers. Create goalie bidding war between Wash.-Fla. #leverage
https://twitter.com/benkuzma/status/298167605527736320

Bleach Clean is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:08 PM
  #780
Senor Catface
Registered User
 
Senor Catface's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: Nepal
Posts: 6,178
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanwest View Post
Isn't that the exact same basis on which people criticize Luongo though. Every time he lets in a bad goal he gets crucified. One of those goals on Dubnyk was from the goal line and the other was a weak shot from the point.
The point was, you can frame things how you want to prove a point.

Senor Catface is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:12 PM
  #781
Evil Edler
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Evil Edler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,311
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleach Clean View Post
Lu started slow, Schneider came in and played lights out. They wouldn't have had that option without Schneider.

No, the team played like **** and needed a shake up, Luongo was fine but not outstanding, stop trying to be a spin doctor.

Evil Edler is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:16 PM
  #782
daveleaf
Registered User
 
daveleaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,571
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsmaster View Post
You're just making statements without any backing.

He was 5-0 in the Olympic games....the weight of a country was on him.

Game 6 against Chicago he came off the bench, gave up an OT winner on a rebound....

EVERY goalie needs guys to take the heat off them, their called the forwards and defense....if they score, the heat is taken off, if they don't miss assignments the heat is taken off....

I'll stop now, I'm so tired of this....
He had a great record in the Oly because they won but he made it too interesting. It was like he had new equipment and fighting every puck. Everyone was commenting on it and I am sure every goalie has the issue at some point.

The stigma doesn't come off until you win. Belfor was a little 'too out there' until he won. Wasn't Thomas to unorthodox to win the big one a few years ago? I can go on for forty years of hockey I have watched. Lou is not the first nor the last but I do believe he can win, maybe in Van if they can get the right mix there.

It doesn't come off until you win.

daveleaf is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:18 PM
  #783
daveleaf
Registered User
 
daveleaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,571
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeersHockey View Post
Feds left as UFA, with some bad blood between him and MGMT. Also, I think he wanted to be the next leader of the team, but was passed over for Lidstrom (poor choice, right?!). I don't know how the Shanny deal was perceived outside of the Detroit area (I was like 15) at the time, but most of us were crazy excited. Shanny was exactly what the team needed to put it over the hump. The skill players back then were even bigger sissys than Detroit's current squad, so Shanny provided grit and scoring to the top 6. I think he really helped quiet Yzerman out too, since he was like Stevie Y's loud and brash 2nd in command.

Its a real tough analogy to the situation VAN faces, because in most all the trade proposals so far, VAN is giving up the Shanny in that deal.
It's nice to read all your posts, you remember all this stuff.

I would agree with your analogy with Van and Shanny that is why I would move Schneider. I think you can get the right pieces there to get over the top. So would you give up a really good young goaltender for a shot at the cup, maybe a couple? I would but that is me.

daveleaf is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:20 PM
  #784
vanwest
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,109
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveleaf View Post
He had a great record in the Oly because they won but he made it too interesting. It was like he had new equipment and fighting every puck. Everyone was commenting on it and I am sure every goalie has the issue at some point.

The stigma doesn't come off until you win. Belfor was a little 'too out there' until he won. Wasn't Thomas to unorthodox to win the big one a few years ago? I can go on for forty years of hockey I have watched. Lou is not the first nor the last but I do believe he can win, maybe in Van if they can get the right mix there.

It doesn't come off until you win.
You mean like when he robbed Pavol Demitra, arguably the best player in the Olympics, in the dying seconds of the Slovakia game. Luongo seems to be held to a different standard by most fans, including Vancouver fans. eg he wins a gold medal but looked shaky. How about if he would have played lights out like Miller and let the Crosby goal in from a bad angle. Miller gets praised but Luongo would have been crucified for that.
I agree with the rest of what you said other than that though.

vanwest is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:26 PM
  #785
topchowda
Registered User
 
topchowda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,786
vCash: 500
As of right now: Edmonton is more than happy with Dubnyk. Hes been great since second half of last season and hasnt missed a beat. .925% sv percentage thus far (.940 if you take out 1st period of SJ game). It can be argued hes a top 10 goalie in the league so far this season up to this point.

He probaly cant keep this pace up, but has shown he can handle the load even when Smid-Petry havent been playing up their regular levels

topchowda is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:31 PM
  #786
y2kcanucks
Cult of Personality
 
y2kcanucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,522
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to y2kcanucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by President Van Buren View Post
The 8 fantastic saves gave them a point.
No one ever seems to look at it this way when it comes to Luongo.

__________________
http://www.vancitynitetours.com
y2kcanucks is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:32 PM
  #787
daveleaf
Registered User
 
daveleaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,571
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanwest View Post
You mean like when he robbed Pavol Demitra, arguably the best player in the Olympics, in the dying seconds of the Slovakia game. Luongo seems to be held to a different standard by most fans, including Vancouver fans. eg he wins a gold medal but looked shaky. How about if he would have played lights out like Miller and let the Crosby goal in from a bad angle. Miller gets praised but Luongo would have been crucified for that.
I agree with the rest of what you said other than that though.
Just going by what I saw. We all get our backs up when it's our own player and I understand that.

daveleaf is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:36 PM
  #788
BeersHockey
Registered User
 
BeersHockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Chicago, IL
Country: United States
Posts: 931
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveleaf View Post
It's nice to read all your posts, you remember all this stuff.

I would agree with your analogy with Van and Shanny that is why I would move Schneider. I think you can get the right pieces there to get over the top. So would you give up a really good young goaltender for a shot at the cup, maybe a couple? I would but that is me.
Absolutely. Luongo has a bunch of great years left in him. I think the problem is that VAN fans want it to be like the Favre/Rodgers transition - where you went from an arguable top7 QB of all time to an instant league MVP. Boom, the QB position is locked down for the next 15 years. Similarly, there are very few goalies in this era that stack up to Lu talent-wise, but now there is this alluring young goalie that could promise another 10-12 years of top-notch net play. Problem is, in the cap-driven market, there are few teams that would pony-up what it should take to acquire Lu on talent alone.

I say, sell Schneider for some good young pieces, and make your run at (multiple) Cup(s) in the window that is open - VAN has proven they are a good enough team to get there. During that time, trust MGMT to draft and develop another replacement (like they did with Schneider) - that is MGMT's job.

BeersHockey is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:38 PM
  #789
daveleaf
Registered User
 
daveleaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,571
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeersHockey View Post
Absolutely. Luongo has a bunch of great years left in him. I think the problem is that VAN fans want it to be like the Favre/Rodgers transition - where you went from an arguable top7 QB of all time to an instant league MVP. Boom, the QB position is locked down for the next 15 years. Similarly, there are very few goalies in this era that stack up to Lu talent-wise, but now there is this alluring young goalie that could promise another 10-12 years of top-notch net play. Problem is, in the cap-driven market, there are few teams that would pony-up what it should take to acquire Lu on talent alone.

I say, sell Schneider for some good young pieces, and make your run at (multiple) Cup(s) in the window that is open - VAN has proven they are a good enough team to get there. During that time, trust MGMT to draft and develop another replacement (like they did with Schneider) - that is MGMT's job.
This is exactly how I would handle it. By the time Lou leaves you will have another replacement but before that you could have a cup or two.

daveleaf is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:46 PM
  #790
blankall
Registered User
 
blankall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 5,232
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeersHockey View Post
Absolutely. Luongo has a bunch of great years left in him. I think the problem is that VAN fans want it to be like the Favre/Rodgers transition - where you went from an arguable top7 QB of all time to an instant league MVP. Boom, the QB position is locked down for the next 15 years. Similarly, there are very few goalies in this era that stack up to Lu talent-wise, but now there is this alluring young goalie that could promise another 10-12 years of top-notch net play. Problem is, in the cap-driven market, there are few teams that would pony-up what it should take to acquire Lu on talent alone.

I say, sell Schneider for some good young pieces, and make your run at (multiple) Cup(s) in the window that is open - VAN has proven they are a good enough team to get there. During that time, trust MGMT to draft and develop another replacement (like they did with Schneider) - that is MGMT's job.
Yup. Sedin's aren't getting any younger. You've managed to find a complimentary piece in Kassian. Go with the best goalie now, Luongo. It gives you the best shot for a cup.

blankall is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:48 PM
  #791
arsmaster
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 16,815
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveleaf View Post
He had a great record in the Oly because they won but he made it too interesting. It was like he had new equipment and fighting every puck. Everyone was commenting on it and I am sure every goalie has the issue at some point.

The stigma doesn't come off until you win. Belfor was a little 'too out there' until he won. Wasn't Thomas to unorthodox to win the big one a few years ago? I can go on for forty years of hockey I have watched. Lou is not the first nor the last but I do believe he can win, maybe in Van if they can get the right mix there.

It doesn't come off until you win.
The original reply was based on you claiming he had a poor international record.

Now you're saying he won it, but looked bad?

The stigma won't come off till he won? he won the olympics, that was my biggest problem....I won't rehash the playoffs, been tired of that for 2 years.

arsmaster is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:49 PM
  #792
Reign Nateo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,480
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall View Post
Yup. Sedin's aren't getting any younger. You've managed to find a complimentary piece in Kassian. Go with the best goalie now, Luongo. It gives you the best shot for a cup.
The Sedins are barely 32 (judging by HF you'd think 42). I don't see the big rush here... Gillis will do what's best for the team. Time will tell what that is.

Reign Nateo is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 05:58 PM
  #793
Bleach Clean
Registered User
 
Bleach Clean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 15,303
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godless Servant View Post
No, the team played like **** and needed a shake up, Luongo was fine but not outstanding, stop trying to be a spin doctor.

I didn't like Luongo's second game. In any event, when Schneider played, he looked better than Luongo. Don't know why that's spin but ok.

Bleach Clean is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 06:02 PM
  #794
blankall
Registered User
 
blankall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 5,232
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reign Nateo View Post
The Sedins are barely 32 (judging by HF you'd think 42). I don't see the big rush here... Gillis will do what's best for the team. Time will tell what that is.
And how long do you expect them to play at top form for? The Sedin's have been PPG+ forwards for many years now. Do you expect that to continue when they are 36? 37? 38?

So like I said, they aren't getting younger. At 32, they only have a few years left of peak play.

blankall is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 06:08 PM
  #795
molsonmuscle360
Registered User
 
molsonmuscle360's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ft. McMurray Ab
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,293
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reign Nateo View Post
The Sedins are barely 32 (judging by HF you'd think 42). I don't see the big rush here... Gillis will do what's best for the team. Time will tell what that is.
It's hard to tell people on hf that anyone over 30 is worth anything anymore. Hell, there are people here saying that Edmonton is already missing it's window when most of it's core is like 20 years old. The Sedins both probably have another 3 great years, and then another 3 years where they are productive left in them. So I think the Canucks real window right now for a cup win is probably the next 3 years.

With a Schnieder trade they could really add the finishing touches they would need I think to put themselves in at least one more cup final in the next 3 years.

molsonmuscle360 is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 06:21 PM
  #796
rune74
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,768
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveleaf View Post
He had a great record in the Oly because they won but he made it too interesting. It was like he had new equipment and fighting every puck. Everyone was commenting on it and I am sure every goalie has the issue at some point.

The stigma doesn't come off until you win. Belfor was a little 'too out there' until he won. Wasn't Thomas to unorthodox to win the big one a few years ago? I can go on for forty years of hockey I have watched. Lou is not the first nor the last but I do believe he can win, maybe in Van if they can get the right mix there.

It doesn't come off until you win.
Interesting? Did you not see brodeur play in those games? Talk about interesting. He got outplayed by Lu.

rune74 is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 06:39 PM
  #797
DJOpus
Registered User
 
DJOpus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,757
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveleaf View Post
Just going by what I saw. We all get our backs up when it's our own player and I understand that.
What you actually saw was Luongo stealing the starting job from the best goalie of our generation and guiding a fragile team to a gold medal.

People argue that our team was stacked compared to others but the reality is that the same team with Brodeur in net lost to the US a week earlier which is why Luongo was getting starts at all.

DJOpus is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 06:50 PM
  #798
vanwest
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,109
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveleaf View Post
Just going by what I saw. We all get our backs up when it's our own player and I understand that.
I guess people see what they want to see all right.
He's probably the first gold medal winning goalie to be judged on style points.


Last edited by vanwest: 02-05-2013 at 06:58 PM.
vanwest is online now  
Old
02-05-2013, 06:53 PM
  #799
nhlfan9191
Registered User
 
nhlfan9191's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Saskatoon, Sk
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,411
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJOpus View Post
What you actually saw was Luongo stealing the starting job from the best goalie of our generation and guiding a fragile team to a gold medal.

People argue that our team was stacked compared to others but the reality is that the same team with Brodeur in net lost to the US a week earlier which is why Luongo was getting starts at all.
Brodeur shouldn't have even been on the team.

nhlfan9191 is offline  
Old
02-05-2013, 07:54 PM
  #800
SFD22
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Simcoe, Ontario
Posts: 232
vCash: 500
Proposal:

TO TOR: Luongo + Kesler

TO VAN: Kessel + Bozak + Franson


Last edited by SFD22: 02-05-2013 at 07:54 PM. Reason: sp
SFD22 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:25 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.