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06-24-2013, 10:07 AM
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is it selfish of me to want Dumba to have another full year of Sutter as his coach? i mean he made very good strides after his dramatic fall in play after being cut for WJC, not to to mention he would more than likely make team CAN too, which i think would do wonders for exp.

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06-24-2013, 10:20 AM
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is it selfish of me to want Dumba to have another full year of Sutter as his coach? i mean he made very good strides after his dramatic fall in play after being cut for WJC, not to to mention he would more than likely make team CAN too, which i think would do wonders for exp.
Yeah, one more reason not to rush him. Let him get another year under Sutter before he starts going through the carousel of pro coaches. A little stability at that age can be a good thing.

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Brodin is not yet a top 2 defenceman. I know we all love Brodin and I am a big suporter of his but his 11pts in 45 games is NOT a top2 defenceman point total. If and when he puts up 30-40 points in the upcoming seasons then yes hes a top 2 defenceman. He will eventually get there but right now hes not, even if he can play top 2 minutes.
While I would potentially agree with you, if you were using a different criteria for what makes a #2 defenseman, I'm wondering if you don't think Dennis Seidenberg is a #2 defenseman. He has broken 30 points twice in his career, and was on pace for a respectable total this year, but the man rarely breaks 25 points in full seasons, yet I think he's a fine #2 defenseman, and that's on a team in the cup finals.

My point is, while Brodin isn't probably there yet, he is close, and points have nothing to do with it (though his offense is nearly as good as Seidenberg's already).

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06-24-2013, 11:32 AM
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is it selfish of me to want Dumba to have another full year of Sutter as his coach? i mean he made very good strides after his dramatic fall in play after being cut for WJC, not to to mention he would more than likely make team CAN too, which i think would do wonders for exp.
Not at all.

The reason people want Dumba on the Wild soon is not because his ability is forcing the Wild's hand, but rather because people want to fill a hole on the blueline. And that is a terrible reason to put a young player onto an NHL team.

I think if you put Dumba on the Wild, he's going to get defensively exposed, which is going to hurt is ice time, which is going to hurt his offensive production, which is going to crush his confidence to the point where he's just going to focus on not making a defense mistake, and then we have another ruined prospect on our hand.

I rather him prove that he can be a true #1 Dman at the junior level. Then, take a year or two to prove that he can be a top-pairing AHL Dman. Then, prove that he can be a top-4 Dman at the NHL level.

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06-24-2013, 12:48 PM
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Not at all.

The reason people want Dumba on the Wild soon is not because his ability is forcing the Wild's hand, but rather because people want to fill a hole on the blueline. And that is a terrible reason to put a young player onto an NHL team.

I think if you put Dumba on the Wild, he's going to get defensively exposed, which is going to hurt is ice time, which is going to hurt his offensive production, which is going to crush his confidence to the point where he's just going to focus on not making a defense mistake, and then we have another ruined prospect on our hand.

I rather him prove that he can be a true #1 Dman at the junior level. Then, take a year or two to prove that he can be a top-pairing AHL Dman. Then, prove that he can be a top-4 Dman at the NHL level.

I'm in the camp of letting Dumba finish Juniors and then have a year or two in the AHL. His confidence/game tends to depend on his ability to be physically involved. I do not want him to get manhandled or injured at the NHL level and then lose all confidence. Let him fill out, become a force in the AHL while also hopefully learning positioning and the Xs/Os, then bring him up. I see him taking awhile to develop but the patience paying off...

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I'm in the camp of letting Dumba finish Juniors and then have a year or two in the AHL. His confidence/game tends to depend on his ability to be physically involved. I do not want him to get manhandled or injured at the NHL level and then lose all confidence. Let him fill out, become a force in the AHL while also hopefully learning positioning and the Xs/Os, then bring him up. I see him taking awhile to develop but the patience paying off...
I see no reason about calling him too quickly. Reason? We aren't going to make a playoff run soley based on him playing.

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It's all going to depend on what the Wild bring in on the back end over the offseason in relation to where Dumba plays.

If no significant improvement is added, Dumba's skill set and hopeful progression over the offseason is likely going to make for a tough decision for the front office. I don't think it's exactly a given he heads back to Red Deer. He'll certainly be up for his 9 games and I wouldn't be shocked if he sees ice in most, if not all...

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Problem with Dumba is the cap hit. $1.6 million for a third pairing guy is too much. Especially if you're keeping Gilbert, Clutterbuck, Spurgeon, and Granlund.

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