I have a feeling that if Clowe was available in San Jose and was available for a decent price he would have been moved several times over. The fact that he hasn't pretty much says his status/price.
There's also some smaller fish like Troy Brouwer in Washington. We have a healthy Hemsky and a bunch of prospects. There has to be a deal out there.
Again it is not just about points I don't know how many times this has to be mentioned before people remember that.
It's not just about points, but the points are very important, and it gets to the point where unless the player has just absolutely horrendous shortcomings, arguing that someone isn't a second line player is kind of silly. I think Sam Gagner is starting to reach that point. On the contrary, I would say that some people are doing their best to forget that while it's not just about points - ultimately, points really are the most important thing in a sport where score is kept.
There's also some smaller fish like Troy Brouwer in Washington. We have a healthy Hemsky and a bunch of prospects. There has to be a deal out there.
Prior to Brouwer's coming out party this year, we would have been up in arms if Brouwer started in our top six in place of Hemsky the same way we were when JF Jacques started in the top 6 on opening day.
Prior to Brouwer's coming out party this year, we would have been up in arms if Brouwer started in our top six in place of Hemsky the same way we were when JF Jacques started in the top 6 on opening day.
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I've liked Brouwer since he played for the Hawks. He's been a good player for the past 3 years this isn't his coming out party.
It's not just about points, but the points are very important, and it gets to the point where unless the player has just absolutely horrendous shortcomings, arguing that someone isn't a second line player is kind of silly. I think Sam Gagner is starting to reach that point. On the contrary, I would say that some people are doing their best to forget that while it's not just about points - ultimately, points really are the most important thing in a sport where score is kept.
As of now he is putting up points and getting the bounces to go his way yet I don't know that I've heard a single person mention that they think that he will maintain this pace even this season let alone the next 2-3 seasons. So if/when the offense goes into a lull and we are being dominated by bigger teams with good centers (ie LA) then we are in trouble. We need a guy up front that can play in our top 6 that can do what Fistric did on D last night, just overpower guys, we don't have that.
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As of now he is putting up points and getting the bounces to go his way yet I don't know that I've heard a single person mention that they think that he will maintain this pace even this season let alone the next 2-3 seasons. So if/when the offense goes into a lull and we are being dominated by bigger teams with good centers (ie LA) then we are in trouble. We need a guy up front that can play in our top 6 that can do what Fistric did on D last night, just overpower guys, we don't have that.
Oddly enough it was the first line getting beaten up and lunch money stolen and were owned by the Kings last night. Even the Kings 4th line scoring against them.
2nd line appeared to be in business and Gagner as per usual was in the thick of it.
Gagner now has 63pts in last 90GP this year and last. Even at this level of production he's a keeper.
Gagner I should note has 16pts on a club thats only scored 35goals. Nearly in on half the clubs production. While playing 3 less minutes than the clubs firstline, with some of that even being pk.
Rounding out into one of the last players a club should want to get rid of.
As of now he is putting up points and getting the bounces to go his way yet I don't know that I've heard a single person mention that they think that he will maintain this pace even this season let alone the next 2-3 seasons. So if/when the offense goes into a lull and we are being dominated by bigger teams with good centers (ie LA) then we are in trouble. We need a guy up front that can play in our top 6 that can do what Fistric did on D last night, just overpower guys, we don't have that.
I agree. I've been a big Gagner supporter but with the surprise addition of Yak to the top 6 and Gagner's offensive production at the moment, it's time to trade him to a team that needs his particular skills and aquire someone with different skills we need in the top 6.......
Broken record meet ROR.....
Hey, if the Avs do indeed want a top 4, perhaps they'd take Petry and a 2nd for ROR and we could get Yandle from Phoenix for Gags?? That would leave Hemmer + to get us that other top six need of size and strength...
Oddly enough it was the first line getting beaten up and lunch money stolen and were owned by the Kings last night. Even the Kings 4th line scoring against them.
2nd line appeared to be in business and Gagner as per usual was in the thick of it.
Gagner now has 63pts in last 90GP this year and last. Even at this level of production he's a keeper.
Gagner I should note has 16pts on a club thats only scored 35goals. Nearly in on half the clubs production. While playing 3 less minutes than the clubs firstline, with some of that even being pk.
Rounding out into one of the last players a club should want to get rid of.
The 1st goal was all N. Schultz apparently you disagree? The 2nd goal was poor back checking by Eberle, and the 3rd was an EN goal. The top line cycled very well and had a number of quality chances which is more than I can say of anyone on the 2nd line not named Hemsky.
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I agree. I've been a big Gagner supporter but with the surprise addition of Yak to the top 6 and Gagner's offensive production at the moment, it's time to trade him to a team that needs his particular skills and aquire someone with different skills we need in the top 6.......
Broken record meet ROR.....
Hey, if the Avs do indeed want a top 4, perhaps they'd take Petry and a 2nd for ROR and we could get Yandle from Phoenix for Gags?? That would leave Hemmer + to get us that other top 6 six need of size and strength...
Agreed, if we can pull it off we have to be in on ROR. If Paajarvi can keep gaining confidence maybe he ultimately plays opposite of Nail on the 2nd line?
The 1st goal was all N. Schultz apparently you disagree? The 2nd goal was poor back checking by Eberle, and the 3rd was an EN goal. The top line cycled very well and had a number of quality chances which is more than I can say of anyone on the 2nd line not named Hemsky.
You know my opinion on N Schultz. Looked weak on the play as per usual. Unfortunately so did Eberle and RNH in the sequence.
I should note here, and you might not have caught my comments, the first line was awful in the 3rd period last night giving up countless serious scoring chances to the Kings. Largely through stubborn refusal to put, and keep pucks deep. Once the Kings got this line running it was ugly.
This line was more focused on trying to make hilite reel plays than realizing it was a 1-1 game. Several times they were tempting fate and the LA winner seemed inevitable.
Eberle made a terrific play to stop a possible goal in the 3rd I think. Nobody seems to want to mention that play. Maybe everybody missed it or I was hallucinating. Not sure which.
The 1st goal was all N. Schultz apparently you disagree? The 2nd goal was poor back checking by Eberle, and the 3rd was an EN goal.
Yes, but they got owned again and again by the bottom of the Kings lineup - which the stats tell you the first line is a) not supposed to be playing against very often, and b) supposed to be doing the owning with that match up in terms of shot differential and zone time.
Yet on several occasions last night I saw our first line totally unable to deal with the opponent fourth line. That Kings fourth line could have very easily popped a few more goals last night off the shoddy defending they were facing. It was embarrassing how easily fringe guys like Fraser and Lewis dominated in our zone.
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The top line cycled very well and had a number of quality chances which is more than I can say of anyone on the 2nd line not named Hemsky.
Beg to differ. They were not cycling "very well". They got a cycle of sorts going a few times but it never looked strong or likely to score. I applaud the fact that these kids are good enough at their age to get any kind of a cycle going against NHL defense, but I wonder if the cycle game is really best suited to their abilities and stature at this point in their careers.
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Agreed, if we can pull it off we have to be in on ROR. If Paajarvi can keep gaining confidence maybe he ultimately plays opposite of Nail on the 2nd line?
Paajarvi is looking better, I'll give him that. Long way to go before anyone should again be touting him as second line material imo.
I think so. He's been in the league, what 6 years now? He is still young, but compare his size from when he was 18 and it's clear as crystal that he's filled out much more and he's obviously much more stronger. Has a mans body now or something like that. haha.
Plus, he works very hard. Especially on face offs. (which the team sorely needs) We need this guy as this team moves forward. He's basically like Horcoff, but a lot younger. He's turned into a very decent player and is only just hitting his stride. JMO of course.
Looks like Snowpants is continuing to keep the haters at bay. Some of them wont even post anymore about him.
Funny how that is.
He didn't get burned defensively tonight, was decent on faceoffs, scored a flukey goal, had a few other chances, and had some good PK work to his credit. Why would his detractors slag him for his body or work tonight?
Sammy's last 81 gp 24 g 38 a 62 pts those are first line C stats these days in the Nhl.
It'll be interesting to see how long he can keep up this ppg pace, he's getting bounces going his way right now, when those dry up we'll see if he can elevate his game even more to stay there. That said I for one will be pleased if he can at least provide offense fairly consistently, that would be one ? checked off the list.
It'll be interesting to see how long he can keep up this ppg pace, he's getting bounces going his way right now, when those dry up we'll see if he can elevate his game even more to stay there. That said I for one will be pleased if he can at least provide offense fairly consistently, that would be one ? checked off the list.
I dont think he will be a ppg this year even the best centers in league go through 3/4 game droughts Sammy has 16 games out of 19 with points, I do think he will finish with 40/41 points would not be Sam if he did not hit 40 which would be 6 consecutive years.
He didn't get burned defensively tonight, was decent on faceoffs, scored a flukey goal, had a few other chances, and had some good PK work to his credit. Why would his detractors slag him for his body or work tonight?
Why would posters that have mocked this player REPEATEDLY and endlessly for years and with thousands of posts saying it not have something to say about it all now? You know, to maybe say they were wrong, eat some turkey, own up to any of it, something most of us manage to do from time to time.
Seems specific to this topic some detractors would rather spit nails than ever admit they were wrong on the player.
He didn't get burned defensively tonight, was decent on faceoffs, scored a flukey goal, had a few other chances, and had some good PK work to his credit. Why would his detractors slag him for his body or work tonight?
Old thoughts die hard. So how often in your imo does Gagner get "burned offensively"?
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It'll be interesting to see how long he can keep up this ppg pace, he's getting bounces going his way right now, when those dry up we'll see if he can elevate his game even more to stay there. That said I for one will be pleased if he can at least provide offense fairly consistently, that would be one ? checked off the list.
The guy had about 4 5 bell scoring chances last night and was stoned repeatedly. Twice he moved in across the grain, (changing angles) in close and got a shot on net, another time he one times a blast that could easily have been a goal. Another time he goes in on a D and would have been home free if the toedrag worked.
What can't be ignored game to game is you're seeing Gagner involved in more chances, more scoring plays and often right in the middle of big goals.
Consistency? Why is this expressed as a concern only about Gagner for some posters? Its interesting that when other players have stone cold stretches its all fine, player will recover, have better days. If its ever Gagner its all about kick him off the team, trade his ass for what we can get, he never fit here ever, etc.
Gagner has more pts over this year and last than all but two players on this club. Eberle and Hall. This being the inconsistent Gagner..
