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02-03-2013, 02:50 AM
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What's Up With Miller and Ward?

After less than stellar years last year, they both seem to be struggling mightily still, despite being known as two of the better goalies in the league for some time. Are they falling off without recovery? Or is the defense in front of them bad?

Just seems weird after them both having a rougher year last year, Ward especially, that it continued into this year where it appears they are getting blasted most nights.

Theodore has never been tops in the league, but he's also having a really bad start to the year, and Bryzgalov is struggling again after a poor showing last year at times.

I knew about Bryz and I don't know if Theodore was in the same discussion as Miller and Ward, but those two kind of stand out.

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I'm not sure about Ward, but Miller's struggles has more to do with the Sabres as a whole. Odd-man rushes and breakaways going his way all game long, it's kind of hard to keep his SV% up that way.

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I guess you haven't seen any Sabres games lately, our defense is atrocious. Without Miller, we'd finish last in the East guaranteed.

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After less than stellar years last year, they both seem to be struggling mightily still, despite being known as two of the better goalies in the league for some time. Are they falling off without recovery? Or is the defense in front of them bad?

Just seems weird after them both having a rougher year last year, Ward especially, that it continued into this year where it appears they are getting blasted most nights.

Theodore has never been tops in the league, but he's also having a really bad start to the year, and Bryzgalov is struggling again after a poor showing last year at times.

I knew about Bryz and I don't know if Theodore was in the same discussion as Miller and Ward, but those two kind of stand out.
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02-03-2013, 02:54 AM
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from the sabres games ive seen miller has been a one man army.. he faces so many odd man rushes and point blank chances its rediculous.

frankly i think hes done amazing all things considered. the sabres would be in way worse shape if it wasnt for him

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02-03-2013, 02:58 AM
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I think it's the same thing with Ward as well, whenever I see him he plays great but Carolina has been a bad defensive team for awhile. Put Miller or Ward behind a team with a good defense and they would have great stats IMO

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02-03-2013, 03:03 AM
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Until today's game against the Habs, Miller was at like a .920 save %, which is pretty damn good. After the game it dropped to .910. Just goes to show you that right now the sample size is too small and is being skewed too much by one good or bad result. Miller's been fine.

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Throw kipper in there too

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Until today's game against the Habs, Miller was at like a .920 save %, which is pretty damn good. After the game it dropped to .910. Just goes to show you that right now the sample size is too small and is being skewed too much by one good or bad result. Miller's been fine.
Miller played good against Habs I was wondering if he was going to steal a game when Montreal out shot Buffalo 15 to 1 in 1st period. Montreal just kept driving the net and then they were getting the puck behind him. Miller didn't have much support from his team.

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Miller has always been average.

Nothing new here.

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Until today's game against the Habs, Miller was at like a .920 save %, which is pretty damn good. After the game it dropped to .910. Just goes to show you that right now the sample size is too small and is being skewed too much by one good or bad result. Miller's been fine.
Exactly. Even the current leader in shots against isn't immune to such wild fluctuations. Dubnyk has 236 saves on 255 shots, .925. If he allows one more goal in the same number of shots then his SV% becomes .922. If you don't count that horrid period against the Sharks he has a .945.

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Ward has always been a little streaky to begin with. This season he didn't play at all during the lockout, so at first he had obvious rust. Since his first two sloppy starts he's had a .904, not up to his standards but not a total train wreck either. Each game seems to be a slight improvement.

Meanwhile the Hurricanes have a small, soft, ineffective defensive group most nights. So it might be a while before his numbers recover, even when his actual play gets back on track.

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02-03-2013, 09:28 AM
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Miller has had only 2 bad starts all season. Buffalo's D is allowing the most shots per game and he doesn't have much help on most nights.

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After less than stellar years last year, they both seem to be struggling mightily still, despite being known as two of the better goalies in the league for some time. Are they falling off without recovery? Or is the defense in front of them bad?

Just seems weird after them both having a rougher year last year, Ward especially, that it continued into this year where it appears they are getting blasted most nights.

Theodore has never been tops in the league, but he's also having a really bad start to the year, and Bryzgalov is struggling again after a poor showing last year at times.

I knew about Bryz and I don't know if Theodore was in the same discussion as Miller and Ward, but those two kind of stand out.

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Miller is not struggling. He and Vanek are the only reason the Sabres have any wins at all this season. Our defense is the worst.

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Nothing wrong with Miller's play thus far. His defence has been wretched.

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For those of you who don't believe that Buffalo's defense has been bad, they allowed the most shots on goal up until yesterday and still are only 0.1 shot from the lead.

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Cam ward has never been known as a great reg season performer, but when the playoffs roll around hes probably the best, up there with brodeur, lundqvist, rinne.

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Miller is not struggling. He and Vanek are the only reason the Sabres have any wins at all this season. Our defense is the worst.
Agreed,
what has happend to Myers... I had big expectations fo rhim after his rookie season.

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Miller has always been average.

Nothing new here.
Spoken like a true boxscore watcher

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Against the Bruins, Ward was a mess.

He kept trying to stack the pads.

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Bad teams. End.

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Thanks guys. And no I haven't had a chance to see either team really. That's why I was wondering, I wasn't wanting to just go off game score. I realize the goalie isn't always at fault, I'm a DiPietro fan so any game he starts most Isles fans give him no slack. I realize the goalie isn't always entirely at fault.

And my apologies missing Theodore's top years lol, I guess I was thinking more recently he wouldn't be with Miller and Ward in terms of expectations?

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Miller has always been average.

Nothing new here.


Miller looks great, the team sucks.

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I don't know where the statement about Bryzgalov came from. He's been great for the Flyers. He's probably been our best player. Read has been great as well.

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