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They are both in the Western Conference so I doubt it would happen but a trade between San Jose and the Oilers would be a good deal for both.
To San Jose:
Mike Comrie
Jason Smith
To Edmonton:
Patrick Marleau
Brad Stuart
Offensively Comrie is outproducing Marleau and San Jose needs offense. Oilers get their big Centre in Marleau. San Jose needs a proven vetran D-man in Smith. Oilers will have to unload him soon anyways and they get a solid d-man in return in Stuart.
As much as I'd like to see Marleau as an Oiler, I don't think this deal offers the Sharks nearly enough to get it done. Despite last season Stuart is still a top young defenseman, and I think getting either him or Marleau, let alone both, would be very costly.
As much as I'd like to see Marleau as an Oiler, I don't think this deal offers the Sharks nearly enough to get it done. Despite last season Stuart is still a top young defenseman, and I think getting either him or Marleau, let alone both, would be very costly.
As another Oiler fan I agree with OGE. Sj loses this trade.
As an Oilers fan, I do this deal in a heartbeat.. Marleau is the big, number one centerman we've been looking for. Stuart would be an anchor on our blueline for years to come and would provide an instant jolt to our powerplay.. also, we'd get something of value back for Smith who will likely outprice himself from the Oilers after he becomes a UFA. However, I question why San Jose would do this. Comrie would look good in San Jose in my opinion but they already have McLaren and Rathje on their blue line, 2 guys very similar to Smith. Likewise, it could be argued that Comrie = Marleau but that Stuart will soon be > Smith. Just imagine a top 4 defensive core of Smith, Rathje, McLaren and Hannan though.. that would hurt
Ya, all us Oiler fans like this trade but its probably because it is unfair we would have to add in more value either high pick or dare I say it hemsky.perhaps dvorak.not likely rita. I just see Marleau playing too huge a role in San Jose's future for any reasonable deal to be struck
Ya, all us Oiler fans like this trade but its probably because it is unfair we would have to add in more value either high pick or dare I say it hemsky.perhaps dvorak.not likely rita. I just see Marleau playing too huge a role in San Jose's future for any reasonable deal to be struck
Hemsky's value is higher than any of the other players you mention so I don't see that happening. The Oilers would be stupid to deal him, he's got star written all over him. As for Dvorak, his value is a little low right now so the Oilers will be better served keeping him and seeing how he performs in the more open West and on the good ice in Edmonton. I think you could see 30 goals out of him this year. Of all the players you mention, I think Rita would be the 1st to move. I don't think he's the offensive talent the Oilers were hoping for when they drafted him. He'll be a nice top 6 player but won't be a big offensive threat. Good, solid two way game though.
Hemsky's value is higher than any of the other players you mention so I don't see that happening. The Oilers would be stupid to deal him, he's got star written all over him. As for Dvorak, his value is a little low right now so the Oilers will be better served keeping him and seeing how he performs in the more open West and on the good ice in Edmonton. I think you could see 30 goals out of him this year. Of all the players you mention, I think Rita would be the 1st to move. I don't think he's the offensive talent the Oilers were hoping for when they drafted him. He'll be a nice top 6 player but won't be a big offensive threat. Good, solid two way game though.
I was not implying that we actually trade any of them I was just making the point that we would have to give up more value for Marleau and Stuart then they were worth. If u want to post the trade of
Smith,Comrie,Rita to San Jose
for
Marleau ,Stewart to Edmonton on the San Jose boards I am sure you would get next to no takers
I wouldn't say that is an irrefutable claim. To this point in time, Comrie has had better overall stats and is a year younger.. Comrie put up 33 goals in his first full season as an Oiler. Marleau only scored 13 and 21 in his first two seasons. Granted Marleau is bigger than Comrie and stronger defensively but it is a bit brunt to make the claim that he is a better player without at least providing a reason explaining why. I still can't believe that one injury-filled season by the former "Edmonton Kid" has dimished his value in the eyes of so many hockey fans.. I'm glad most GM's don't think like the typical fan or Lowe would be lucky to get Josh Green back from Calgary for Comrie.
The Sharks are not looking for, nor do they need, "veteran" help on defense. They are no longer looking to win now, but are building around their young players. There is absolutely no incentive for them to make this deal, it would be a step backwards. A big one, at that.
As an Oilers fan, I do this deal in a heartbeat.. Marleau is the big, number one centerman we've been looking for. Stuart would be an anchor on our blueline for years to come and would provide an instant jolt to our powerplay.. also, we'd get something of value back for Smith who will likely outprice himself from the Oilers after he becomes a UFA. However, I question why San Jose would do this. Comrie would look good in San Jose in my opinion but they already have McLaren and Rathje on their blue line, 2 guys very similar to Smith. Likewise, it could be argued that Comrie = Marleau but that Stuart will soon be > Smith. Just imagine a top 4 defensive core of Smith, Rathje, McLaren and Hannan though.. that would hurt
Just like to applaud all the Oilers fans who see that this isn't really suitable to the Sharks needs. We are loaded with Jason Smith types, and while it is very close valuewise, ultimately the Sharks turn does this deal because they give up both their cornerstones in one fell swoop. Maybe if it was Brewer instead of Smith.
Don't forget that Marleau was 18 n 19 during those years...considerin he was developin in the NHL those numbers are pretty impressive.
Fair enough, I thought about that after I posted.. I agree that those stats are impressive for a player his age. I was just making the point that Marleau should not be considered head and shoulders above Comrie
since sharks fans have enough smith type defensemen already maybe replace Smith with (ok oilers won't like this I don't either but its Brad Stuart we're talking about here) A.Semenov and a 2nd?
I think the only reasonable offer the Sharks would take for Stuart and Marleau is Smyth and Comrie.The trade fullfills each teams wishes but both Smyth and Marleau are to imperative to their respective teams nucleus which puts a rain on the parade.
I put out a lot of crazy trades but this is the deal I would like to see get done.
To Boston:
Mike Comrie
To Edmonton:
Nick Boyton
To Edmonton:
Dainius Zubrus(call me crazy but I think he can be as good a power
forward as Bertuzzi.Is on the verge of breaking out if he
does not make it in the next 3yrs he will be a big bust)
To Washington:
Jason Smith
1st pick 2004
3rd pick 2004
2nd pick 2005 conditional (plays 70 or more games and gets 60 or more
points in 2004-2005season.push back a year
if holdout)
I think prospects are of increased value right now as their is a pretty decent chance of hold out and gives them extra time to develop take it into consideration when assesing the trade.Plus from Edm perspective saves us about a million in salary.
To Edmonton:
Dainius Zubrus(call me crazy but I think he can be as good a power
forward as Bertuzzi.Is on the verge of breaking out if he
does not make it in the next 3yrs he will be a big bust)
To Washington:
Jason Smith
1st pick 2004
3rd pick 2004
2nd pick 2005 conditional (plays 70 or more games and gets 60 or more
points in 2004-2005season.push back a year
if holdout)
the oilers don't trade first round draft picks... ever.
(edit: not to mention the last thing they need is to trade a defenseman [where they are weak] for a winger [where they have far too many])
the oilers don't trade first round draft picks... ever.
(edit: not to mention the last thing they need is to trade a defenseman [where they are weak] for a winger [where they have far too many])
Zubrus plays rw/lw/center and your right I can't recall every trading a first pick as we usually take rookies wait till they play good and go out of our salary range then trade them for the next batch of rookies(buy low sell high), but on the other hand I think Lowe would consider this risk if he could potentially have a superstar power forward like he always wanted. Boyton is an improvement on Smith at most likely a lower price when he re-signs. With acquiring Boyton we end up with two of the best young d in the league in Brewer and himself. Lowe already claimed Smith was being overpaid so I think he would like to move him and Brewer and Boyton will carry significantly higher trade value in the future where Smith has about peaked.
